I1L2T3 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 hours ago, mafya said: No deal is better then a bad deal. That’s a stupid slogan. Stop repeating it like a brain dead parrot. No deal would be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: That’s a stupid slogan. Stop repeating it like a brain dead parrot. No deal would be a disaster. Depends what the bad deal is doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Hots on said: Scotland would be swallowed up by the EU. What influence would it have within it?? 'Swallowed up'? Do you want to try and define that? Scotland would have as much influence as each of the other 27 members, particularly once you factor in their individual veto. And Scotland would have much more influence than each of the EEA and EFTA members, such as Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Norway, Turkey. Them's the obvious points, for starters. 16 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said: Rough translation: it's fine for the Scots to want independence from the UK, but not for Britain to want independence from the EU. How is it "not fine for Britain to want independence from the EU"? Last I checked, still nobody in the EU(27) is stopping the UK from leaving. The delays are wholly and solely attributable to the UK governement's efforts to have cake and eating it, and the UK political system continually stepping on its own appendage. It's fine for any nation to want independence from a larger governing jurisdiction it's part of. The specific circumstances of such a nation, in its geopolitical context, determine whether it's a smart thing to do at the time or not. Scotland is a nation with its own Parliament, likewise Northern Ireland, likewise Wales. Scotland's electorate voted majoritarily to stay in the EU, likewise Northern Ireland's electorate, and in each case by a significantly bigger margin than the referendum's 4% differential. It's smart for Scotland to join (remain in) the EU, given the ongoing consolidation of trading blocs at the global scale. It's smart for NI to join the RoI for the same reason, noting that it would enjoy a much easier and faster way back into the EU relative to Scotland (piggybacking on RoI's existing membership). Both need to exit the UK first, before they can do that. Voters were explained lengthways and sideways, since before the referendum, how Brexiting would be highly likely to break up the Union. So sour grapes, particularly from Leavers, about that break up would be quite unseemly (not to say, downright cretinous), if that prediction comes to pass. After all...you all knew what you were voting for, right? Edited January 18, 2019 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, woodview said: Depends what the bad deal is doesn't it. If so that makes the whole mantra a massive straw man ‘Bad deal’ is highly subjective And deals are two-sided anyway Its an utterly idiotic thing to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: If so that makes the whole mantra a massive straw man ‘Bad deal’ is highly subjective And deals are two-sided anyway Its an utterly idiotic thing to say As you said, it's subjective, so by definition it's not. Not a straw man either, look it up Dropping into calling people idiotic isn't a good look, and out of forum rules too. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 56 minutes ago, woodview said: As you said, it's subjective, so by definition it's not. Not a straw man either, look it up Dropping into calling people idiotic isn't a good look, and out of forum rules too. Have a nice day. I’m say the post is idiotic not the poster While the concept of a bad deal is subjective, people who trot out the nonsense usually hold any deal to be a bad deal, and argue on that basis that no deal would be better. Its lazy. A toddler could say it. The straw man is any deal is automatically a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 16 hours ago, Car Boot said: We have a No Deal trading arrangement with our single biggest trading partner, the United States. How is this possible? Surely we can't possibly survive outside of an EU trade deal? We don't have a no deal trading arrangement with the USA. We have a deal brokered through the EU. Thats why we dont have chlorine washed chicken on the shelves for a start... 14 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said: And your evidence for that is --- Angel1. History Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: That’s a stupid slogan. Stop repeating it like a brain dead parrot. No deal would be a disaster. Give over with the insults, a no deal clean break is better then being held over a barrel like you remainers want to be. Yes there will be consequences to a no deal but it won’t be as bad as you remainers make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 You know in all the time this has been going on, no one not one person has been able to clearly and demonstrably articulate why no deal would be better. Want to have a go at bucking the trend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, mafya said: Give over with the insults, a no deal clean break is better then being held over a barrel like you remainers want to be. Yes there will be consequences to a no deal but it won’t be as bad as you remainers make out. Another reference to “not be as bad” The big question is what will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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