I1L2T3 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: The Leave campaign didn't tell any lies about Turkey. The Leave campaign stated the only way to guarantee the UK won't be affected by Turkey joining the EU in the future is for the UK to leave the EU. One reason why Turkey was brought up before the referendum vote was because when David Cameron became Prime Minister he went to Turkey and told the Turkish people that the UK would support Turkey joining the EU. It did tell lies. I’ve already posted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, woodview said: So they can join in future. A country joining that would be become the largest single member, and therefore the largest voting member, which has power of veto or some issues, which us a muslim country is a concern yes. It marks a major shift in policy making in Europe. Seems odd the membership process hasn't been scrapped instead of suspended. They they won’t. Germany will still be the largest member state even IF Turkey joins. All member states have have the same voting rights and IF Turkey was a member, their voting bloc would be worth around 9%. The voting criteria is very fair as there are multiple conditions that have to be met for anything to pass. Your assumptions are downright wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, woodview said: Maybe they will formally scrap it as part of the package of getting us to Remain. Not necessary. We wouldn’t want to use lies about Turkey as a bargaining chip with the U.K. population. It would be disgusting if things ever sunk to the level of the Leave campaign again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: It did tell lies. I’ve already posted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: You don't see the irony? Using Turkeys accession as an excuse to leave, when the main advocate for that accession was the UK (and Boris Johnson at the time) simply shows what a dispicable lie the entire saga was. 39 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: The Leave campaign didn't tell any lies about Turkey. The Leave campaign stated the only way to guarantee the UK won't be affected by Turkey joining the EU in the future is for the UK to leave the EU. .. or the UK could have simply dropped it's support for Turkey joining the EU, since it was the main and most vocal proponent. Of course, the central premise itself is a lie since as an EU member, the UK always had to the power to simply say "no". Edited January 19, 2019 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: It doesn’t matter what Cameron said. There are 27 other EU members and there is no meaningful support for Turkey joining. As we know Cameron said a lot of other stupid stuff. Leave said Turkey is joining. It isn’t . You need to provide evidence it is. 5 minutes ago, Magilla said: You don't see the irony? Using Turkeys accession as an excuse to leave, when the main advocate for that accession was the UK (and Boris Johnson at the time) simply shows what a dispicable lie the entire saga was. .. or the UK could have simply dropped it's support for Turkey joining the EU, since it was the main and most vocal proponent. It just further highlights the internal Tory wrangling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: It just further highlights the internal Tory wrangling ...and that the premise itself was a lie, since as an EU member state, we always had the power to simply veto their accession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: It doesn’t matter what Cameron said. There are 27 other EU members and there is no meaningful support for Turkey joining. As we know Cameron said a lot of other stupid stuff. Leave said Turkey is joining. It isn’t . You need to provide evidence it is. It just further highlights the internal Tory wrangling Of course it matters what Cameron said because he was the UK Prime Minister at the time. You can't keep blaming the Leave campaign and then just gloss over anything what Cameron said who was effectively the leader of the Remain campaign. Dennis Skinner who didn't support Cameron's original views about Turkey joining the EU isn't a member of the Tory party. Edited January 19, 2019 by Lockdoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Lockdoctor said: Of course it matters what Cameron said because he was the UK Prime Minister at the time. You can't keep blaming the Remain campaign and then just gloss over anything what Cameron said who was effectively the leader of the Remain campaign. Dennis Skinner who didn't support Cameron's original views about Turkey joining the EU isn't a member of the Tory party. It doesn’t change the fact that Leave lied. Leave said that Turkey is joining the EU. It isn’t joining the EU Practically every time it lied about Turkey it wove in the idea that 76 million Turkish people could come here. Leave used Turkey to weaponise immigration as a campaign theme. You are an immigrant. I would hope that you feel comfortable and settled in the U.K. Do you not feel uncomfortable with immigration being a toxic issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 54 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: The Leave campaign didn't tell any lies about Turkey. The Leave campaign stated the only way to guarantee the UK won't be affected by Turkey joining the EU in the future is for the UK to leave the EU. That statement is in itself a lie, thus so is your claim that the Leave Campaign didn't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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