woodview Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, L00b said: Don't know about you, but whenever I've voted about anything, I've voted according to the information that I researched and understood, both from apolitical/unbiased sources and others ; not only according to the information that was self-servingly spoon-fed by one side and/or the other(s). The voting context also played a big part (think "least worst option out of two bad choices", eg Macron v LePen). Aside from the last US presidential election (for propaganda techniques of which the 2016 referendum was the test bed), I can't remember a more flagrant example of exploitation by vested interests, of this general inability to exercise critical thinking, demonstrated time and again by a large portion of the British electorate, as the Brexit Leave campaigns. The poster is saying the information provided by the Remain supporting, government funded leaflet, is supporting information that Leave means leaving the CU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, L00b said: Don't know about you, but whenever I've voted about anything, I've voted according to the information that I researched and understood, both from apolitical/unbiased sources and others I think most people are fed news stories month after month after month, and they build up a view on things. Most people have a view of Corbyn, probably a very biased view, hard left, anti-war and IRA sympathiser. Most media and politicos have blamed things on the EU for years, when in fact its not a problem or its down to our own Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, L00b said: Don't know about you, but whenever I've voted about anything, I've voted according to the information that I researched and understood, both from apolitical/unbiased sources and others ; not only according to the information that was self-servingly spoon-fed by one side and/or the other(s). The voting context also played a big part (think "least worst option out of two bad choices", eg Macron v LePen). Aside from the last US presidential election (for propaganda techniques of which the 2016 referendum was the test bed), I can't remember a more flagrant example of exploitation by vested interests, of this general inability to exercise critical thinking, demonstrated time and again by a large portion of the British electorate, as the Brexit Leave campaigns. Agreed, I made my decision based upon information provided by both side, my own research and my personal experience of working with (not for) the EU. I treat most of the speculation . projections as exactly that. For instance the HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU, (https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160815143732/https://www.eureferendum.gov.uk/publications/) Which stated that GDP would be adversely affected by between 3.6% and 6.0%, and that unemployment would increase by between 520 and 820K All these figures are post vote, pre brexit. The actual figures are somewhat different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, woodview said: The poster is saying the information provided by the Remain supporting, government funded leaflet, is supporting information that Leave means leaving the CU. I did not comment about that particular point. But since you seem to be asking: the argument that the leaflet implies leaving the CU (and/or SM) is wrong, because of those few words at the end "with a say". At the most, the leaflet implies that the UK would cease to have a say (no more MEPs nor Commissioner), not that it would exit the CU/SM wholesale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, convert said: Agreed, I made my decision based upon information provided by both side, my own research and my personal experience of working with (not for) the EU. I treat most of the speculation . projections as exactly that. For instance the HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU, (https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160815143732/https://www.eureferendum.gov.uk/publications/) Which stated that GDP would be adversely affected by between 3.6% and 6.0%, and that unemployment would increase by between 520 and 820K All these figures are post vote, pre brexit. The actual figures are somewhat different. We haven't left yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, tinfoilhat said: We haven't left yet. Read the Treasury document. The forecasts were made for the period between the vote, and leaving. The figures they gave are not for after we leave, but for after we vote to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, El Cid said: I think most people are fed news stories month after month after month, and they build up a view on things. Most people have a view of Corbyn, probably a very biased view, hard left, anti-war and IRA sympathiser. Most media and politicos have blamed things on the EU for years, when in fact its not a problem or its down to our own Parliament. Fake news on social media is becoming a massive issue, whatsapp is now limiting shares to 5 times now to try and limit how many times people can share something that maybe fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, convert said: Agreed, I made my decision based upon information provided by both side, my own research and my personal experience of working with (not for) the EU. I treat most of the speculation . projections as exactly that. For instance the HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU, (https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160815143732/https://www.eureferendum.gov.uk/publications/) Which stated that GDP would be adversely affected by between 3.6% and 6.0%, and that unemployment would increase by between 520 and 820K All these figures are post vote, pre brexit. The actual figures are somewhat different. So you’ll have to thank the governor of the BoE for doing a great job at keeping the economy together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, ez8004 said: So you’ll have to thank the governor of the BoE for doing a great job at keeping the economy together. Yes, he's done a 'sterling' job...😂https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-11/carney-s-boe-forecasts-in-doubt-as-brexit-deadline-draws-closer The Bank of England’s Brexit assumptions are looking increasingly doubtful as the clock ticks down to the U.K.’s departure date... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, convert said: Yes, he's done a 'sterling' job...😂https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-11/carney-s-boe-forecasts-in-doubt-as-brexit-deadline-draws-closer The Bank of England’s Brexit assumptions are looking increasingly doubtful as the clock ticks down to the U.K.’s departure date... ... Are you intellectually challenged? What was he supposed to do? Do nothing and let the economy tank and then sit back and say “I told you so”? He didn’t and did all he could to effectively prove himself wrong. Do you know why? Because that is what his job actually is for. To keep the U.K. economy in check and do everything they can to prevent serious shocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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