Bloody Sunday. This Might Be A Lively Topic.

[tinfoilhat]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

Your first thought is utter nonsense.  I'm in favour of an amnesty for all prosecutions related to the troubles if ensures that no former British soldiers will face anymore legal proceedings.  Johnny Mercer deserves much credit for his campaign to support former British soldiers.

And if they committed a crime "they were just following orders?"

[tinfoilhat]

29 minutes ago, West 77 said:

But, they haven't committed any crime because this is Great Britain and everyone is innocent until proven guilty.  I think your quote is best left in history at the Nuremberg trials where there were no British soldiers accused of any wrong doing.

 

 

But we don't know if they have committed any crimes?

[Delbow]

5 hours ago, nightrider said:

 

you mean as a distraction?

No, not really. I mean that the government is in a bind: they had to agree to the border in the Irish Sea to get a deal with the EU, this has upset the unionists. The alternative is a hard border on the island of Ireland: this would upset the republicans. So they have to work out who they would rather upset, and one way of doing that is to think about things they can do to offset that upset. I might be wrong, but it seems an odd time for the UK govt to be announcing an amnesty, and it seems an interesting coincidence that they have NI headaches and difficult decisions at this time.

[altus]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

But, they haven't committed any crime because this is Great Britain and everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

It's presumed innocent until proven guilty. Or are you going to claim Peter Sutcliffe hadn't committed any murders when he was arrested, hadn't committed any murders during evidence presentation stages of his trial and only committed multiple murders between the jury being sent away to consider a verdict and them returning a guilt verdict?

[Baron99]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

But, they haven't committed any crime because this is Great Britain and everyone is innocent until proven guilty.  I think your quote is best left in history at the Nuremberg trials where there were no British soldiers accused of any wrong doing.

 

 

My bold. 

 

Of course, Great Britain does include Scotland where a 'Not proven' verdict can also be returned where the accused is acquitted but there is still a suggestion that the accused is 'guilty' but the prosecution did not provide enough evidence to fully secure a successful & safe guilty verdict. 

[crookesey]

“I was only following orders” comes to mind”, so ultimately the only person responsible is the one in charge, making concentration camp butchers innocent of all crimes, and if you believe that. 🤪

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by crookesey