Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Dardandec]

9 hours ago, Car Boot said:

I voted Leave to give the UK poor a pay rise,

But you will have done the complete opposite, You profess to to sticking up for the poor, but in actual fact, you have hung them out to dry.

17 hours ago, apelike said:

Ah, its think of the poor now when nobody could give a toss about them before!

I couldn't give a toss about the poor? Really? You don't know me at all with that statement, you have hung them out to dry too. 

[Top Cats Hat]

52 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

The speaker has ruled the brexit deal cannot be voted on again.

Not strictly true.

 

The deal cannot be presented to Parliament again if it is unchanged from the last one it voted on.

[Hots on]

The EU has been systematically asset stripping the UK for decades by getting British industry to leave the UK and relocate, mostly to other EU member states with the help of EU grants.

 

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant,  Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

Crown Closures, Bournemout gone to Poland with EU grant.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[L00b]

5 minutes ago, Hots on said:

The EU has been systematically asset stripping the UK for decades by getting British industry to leave the UK and relocate, mostly to other EU member states with the help of EU grants.

 

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant,  Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

Crown Closures, Bournemout gone to Poland with EU grant.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. 

That list looks copy-pasted from somewhere, different formatting from the opening paragraph. Could we have a link to see where it came from?

 

Oh, and some evidence of these 'EU grants' to back up your claims, please.

 

EDIT - never mind, looks like an old anti-EU fabrication.

Edited March 18, 2019 by L00b

[nikki-red]

If youre going to copy and paste from other websites can you please also link to or at very least credit the source?

Thank you.

[apelike]

45 minutes ago, L00b said:

But you opined about the haircuts to Councils' budgets that accounted for the Council  job losses. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but that is attributable to policies for curbing the deficit since 2010, which was supposed to be eradicated by 2017 (or 2019)...

But was it?  George Osborn who became chancellor in 2010 till 2016, known for vastly overstating what would happen in the event of a leave result also stated that the deficit would vanish within 5 years but he was wrong in both cases. In the 2017 Conservative manifesto the Conservatives pledged to eliminate the deficit by the middle of the next decade so it was already known what the situation was.

Edited March 18, 2019 by apelike

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55 minutes ago, apelike said:

No what I think is there is no proof about how much it influenced people especially give the demographics of Facebook etc. It didn't influence me as I'm not on any social media site.

Yes, but politically you lean to the right and almost certainly would have voted to leave anyway.

 

What fake news on facebook did very successfully was to target apolitical people in the large 25-35 'undecided' age group and bombard them with either very simple images like the 'Turkey is about to join the EU' series of graphics, or repeated links to dog-whistle media headlines about immigration, sovereignty or sentimental nonsense about blue passports or a return to a 1950s all-white Britain that their only experience of was television programmes like Heartbeat, Call the Midwife and The Darling Buds of May.

 

I say 'successfully' because every day I come across people who still repeat fake pro-Brexit news, months and even years after it has been shown to be untrue. Not only did it influence people but it influenced the right people, ie the 'undecided' who determine the result of all elections.

 

[JFKvsNixon]

55 minutes ago, Hots on said:

The EU has been systematically asset stripping the UK for decades by getting British industry to leave the UK and relocate, mostly to other EU member states with the help of EU grants.

 

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant,  Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

Crown Closures, Bournemout gone to Poland with EU grant.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When you consider how easily you've been taken in by a such  simple piece of propaganda, does it lead you to question what other opinions may have also been formed by propaganda?

[I1L2T3]

37 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Yes, but politically you lean to the right and almost certainly would have voted to leave anyway.

 

What fake news on facebook did very successfully was to target apolitical people in the large 25-35 'undecided' age group and bombard them with either very simple images like the 'Turkey is about to join the EU' series of graphics, or repeated links to dog-whistle media headlines about immigration, sovereignty or sentimental nonsense about blue passports or a return to a 1950s all-white Britain that their only experience of was television programmes like Heartbeat, Call the Midwife and The Darling Buds of May.

 

I say 'successfully' because every day I come across people who still repeat fake pro-Brexit news, months and even years after it has been shown to be untrue. Not only did it influence people but it influenced the right people, ie the 'undecided' who determine the result of all elections.

 

I see this every time I discuss Brexit with leave voters. family, friends etc...

 

They are utterly welded to and invested in a set of myths that have been debunked dozens of times on this forum.

 

Its scary.

[apelike]

4 hours ago, L00b said:

Except for the small -and entirely logical- bit, that articles about job losses not directly or indirectly attributable to Brexit are not included in the data.

Sorry to burst that bubble.. Here is what I have found out from that list so far.

 

Body Shop = 20 jobs lost. Its distribution centre in the UK is to lose 20 jobs because it is opening another distribution centre in Germany.

Infiniti = 250 jobs lost. Around 250 jobs are in jeopardy but so far are not lost. 

Primark = 220 jobs lost. Its relocating some jobs. The retailer made no reference or mention whether Brexit had anything to do with the decision to redeploy some staff to its other operation in Dublin. It said the changes were part of an ongoing review of its operations.

LK Bennett = 500 jobs lost. The failure is the latest in a string of mid-market women's fashion labels to buckle under the pressure of dwindling high street sales. Nothing to do with brexix but retail sales in general.

Vision Gelpack = 50 jobs lost. Went into administration once before despite investment, and nothing to do with brexit.

Nissan = 400 jobs lost. But those 400 jobs are so far only reported as at risk.

Notingham City Council = 27 jobs lost. Due to what it classes as austerity measures.

Superdry = 200 jobs lost. Blaming poor weather and foreign exchange costs and another retailer suffering from a drop in sales. Wow, a bit of a brexit hit on that one.

Clarks = 45 jobs lost.  Not due to brexit but a restructuring move after moving its main Cumbria factory to east Asia in 2005. Like Dyson and others its goods are cheaper to produce in Asia.

Walsall Council = 800 jobs lost. Not sure where that stat comes from but it seem to be a mixture of lost council jobs across the West Midlands mainly due to discipline: poor attendance, misconduct, health issues, absence and other issues not related to austerity or brexit.

 

Now, I'm not going through the rest as I'm sure its a bit like the top 10 which clearly seems to show  that the stats used and the way they have been used are very dubious, and so it seems is its author.