Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[tinfoilhat]

26 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

To many people we have been a poverty stricken island with EU membership for decades.

 

Remainers need to take off the blinkers.

It’s the 5th largest economy in world. 

[Lex Luthor]

11 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

If both sides cheated that makes it worse, and the referendum result even less valid.

 

Thanks for the long post but there’s the facts. And they will come back to haunt every single MP who voted through a bad Brexit or a no deal

Why do you still insist with 'if'?  Surely someone of your intelligence can be in no doubt of the fact. 

 

Also, I'd like to apologise to you for my unnecessary comments about your posts, I have tried very hard to keep personal comments out of this. 

Edited March 17, 2019 by Lex Luthor

[El Cid]

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

we havent though, its a lie, hence why we along with the other bigger countries in the EU pay more than others...we had a great economy

By GDP the UK is the 2nd largest country in the EU, yet we pay the 3rd largest in contributions.

[L00b]

2 hours ago, taxman said:

So the Maybot has got a third chance of getting her deal through this week. No deal is quite rightly off the table so the only options she's allowing is her deal or extended membership.

 

The Backstop seems to be the sticking point....but can anyone, remain or leave, explain what the "backstop" is? For her Brexit no deal loving morons it seems to be a neverending link to Europe...why, how, what does it do?

 

I'm a remainer but I'm happy for a deal that doesn't leave us a poverty stricken island in the middle of nowhere with the only trade deals with Papua New Guinea and Vanuatu.

 

Can anyone explain what exactly the "backstop" is?

It is a legal mechanism, which maintains the UK aligned with EU regulations and other assorted Customs Union-implementing mechanisms, to ensure that the current absence of a physical border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Island remains in place, until the UK comes up with technical means to maintain scrutiny of cross-border shipments in Ireland even if it should diverge from the (said) EU regulations and other assorted Customs Union-implementing mechanisms.

 

It would not have been needed at all, if the DUP had not nixed the notion of a border in the Irish sea. They nixed it because they don't want to be treated any differently from the rest of the UK (notwithstanding that they're quite happy with exceptions when it suits, e.g. gay marriage and abortion). Since they have the cosh on Theresa May since the GE2017, she rolled the rest of the UK into the deal so that the border is not the Irish sea, therefore backstop.

 

EDIT to add/clarify: it's designed to kick in by default, only if the UK does not come up with the (said) technical means for maintaining scrutiny of cross-border shipments by 31 December 2020. If it's triggered then, it's also designed to then wind down, as soon as the UK comes up with the (said) technical means for maintaining scrutiny of cross-border shipments in Ireland, and the EU agrees those technical means do what they say on the tin. So. Brexiters, if you don't want the backstop to kick in, better get your thinking caps on.

Edited March 17, 2019 by L00b

[L00b]

9 hours ago, Car Boot said:

 Your support for a neoliberal economic entity that primarily exists to promote the interests of capital is well noted on this forum.

Good. For a minute there, I was afraid people would start to take me for a sandal-wearing lentil-munching lefty.

[L00b]

On ‎16‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 09:56, Lex Luthor said:

Don't forget Blair and Cameron's meddling - the pariahs of modern day politics. 

Well, in the great game of "who's influencing Brexit for the British" , I'll see your two British pariahs, and I'll raise you foreign fascists like Salvini, Orban and Kaczynski.

 

You ready to call yet, or should we raise the stakes some more?

Edited March 17, 2019 by L00b

[Car Boot]

2 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

It’s the 5th largest economy in world. 

Tell that to those struggling to feed their families. Also explain to them why rises in GDP have absolutely no improvement for the poorest's  standard of living.

[tzijlstra]

1 minute ago, Car Boot said:

Tell that to those struggling to feed their families. Also explain to them why rises in GDP have absolutely no improvement for the poorest's  standard of living.

Genuine question - do you honestly believe there were no families struggling to feed themselves before the seventies? Because you come across like you do. You are perpetuating Corbyn's biggest fallacy - rose-tinted spectacles.

[JFKvsNixon]

33 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

Genuine question - do you honestly believe there were no families struggling to feed themselves before the seventies? Because you come across like you do. You are perpetuating Corbyn's biggest fallacy - rose-tinted spectacles.

The best summing up I've heard of the UK's two political parties was: the Tories want to take us back in time to the 1950s and Labour wants to take us back to the 1970s.

 

What happened to forward looking politics in the UK?

[Dardandec]

23 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The deal we have at the moment is the reason a clear majority of the electorate voted to LEAVE the EU. 

 

You do realise that, yes?

It's better than the one we are going to end up with.

 

You voted to leave the EU because you fail at life and want anybody that's successful to suffer too.

 

You do realise that, yes?

 

Wake up call!! they will survive, the poor wont, they are the ones who will suffer, do you not see that at all?

Edited March 17, 2019 by Dardandec
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