Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[melthebell]

17 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Simply because the kids have never known anything else and everyone fears the unknown.

They have no knowledge of when Britain was the world leader in almost every field.

and the world was a very different place back then, now we are so intertwined with the EU you CANT extract us without hurting us.

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

We’re not in the 19th century any more.

Don't try and take our kids back to that.

I was referring to the 20th century and things were far better through my teens, 20's and 30's than they have been for many years.

Plenty of proper full time jobs for everyone and no Europe dictating as to what we could and could not do.

Kids would be glad to go back to that if they could experience it.

 

Our great leaders fault that we are so intertwined - we simply joined the Common Market (not a bad idea in itself)

Allowing them to make and over-rule our laws and immigration rules should never have happened. 

Successive Prime Ministers have given away all our powers since then.

 

Just remember also that if we stay in Europe now,  it's going to be a very different Europe from the one we are trying to leave at this moment and it's going to cost us a hell of a lot more money than we pay now. so there is going to be plenty of hurt either way. The Britain I knew had the backbone to stand on it's own feet and accept a challenge.

Edited April 13, 2019 by Organgrinder
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[I1L2T3]

52 minutes ago, retep said:

Aren't you worried about kids being brainwashed at school.

No, I’m more worried about the less well educated and older generations getting brainwashed by the Sun, Daily Mail and targeted ads/posts on Facebook.

 

For balance, at my kids school there are a number of leave-supporting teachers. They discuss views openly with the kids which is very healthy.

 

I wouldn’t talk down our younger generations. They know when they are being lied to and none are better at lying than the right wing media, Brexit leaders and the Facebook campaigns funded by shadowy money.

17 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

I was referring to the 20th century and things were far better through my teens, 20's and 30's than they have been for many years.

Plenty of proper full time jobs for everyone and no Europe dictating as to what we could and could not do.

Kids would be glad to go back to that if they could experience it.

 

Our great leaders fault that we are so intertwined - we simply joined the Common Market (not a bad idea in itself)

Allowing them to make and over-rule our laws and immigration rules should never have happened. 

Successive Prime Ministers have given away all our powers since then.

 

Just remember also that if we stay in Europe now,  it's going to be a very different Europe from the one we are trying to leave at this moment and it's going to cost us a hell of a lot more money than we pay now. so there is going to be plenty of hurt either way. The Britain I knew had the backbone to stand on it's own feet and accept a challenge.

It’s a mythical past that didn’t really exist. Life was tough for most people. Extremely tough.

 

Im old enough to remember much of what you describe.

 

You’re just regurgitating a rose-tinted view of a past we can’t ever go back to.

 

Sorry, but that’s the truth.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

 

It’s a mythical past that didn’t really exist. Life was tough for most people. Extremely tough.

 

Im old enough to remember much of what you describe.

 

You’re just regurgitating a rose-tinted view of a past we can’t ever go back to.

 

Sorry, but that’s the truth.

If it's a mythical past that didn't really exist, how do you remember much of it.

I was born in 1940 into a very poor, one parent family and from the early fifties things got better for all of us, our friends and our neighbours. That's not mythical or rose tinted,  it happened.

We can't  go back to that past but we can get stuck in and recreate a proud country where we rebuild our manufacturing base and make our own rules again.

Most of the countries in the world are not members of the European Union and they seem to manage fine. Do you think we are too useless to do the same? I don't

[RJRB]

1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

Simply because the kids have never known anything else and everyone fears the unknown.

They have no knowledge of when Britain was the world leader in almost every field.

I am retired and do not remember such times.

 

[melthebell]

15 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Most of the countries in the world are not members of the European Union and they seem to manage fine.

and most of the world arent intertwined with the EU so dont need to worry about destroying their standard of living and economies as they try to extract themselves

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I am retired and do not remember such times.

 

Then all those steelworks, engineering firms, cutlery factories, shipyards and mills must be a figment of my imagination - sorry!

Thought I remembered visiting many of them in my job when they stretched from the Wicker Goods Station, all the way to Tinsley and beyond

Although I did hear that there is a lot of amnesia about these days.

2 minutes ago, melthebell said:

and most of the world arent intertwined with the EU so dont need to worry about destroying their standard of living and economies as they try to extract themselves

Then that shows who the fools are which makes my point

[melthebell]

2 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Then all those steelworks, engineering firms, cutlery factories, shipyards and mills must be a figment of my imagination - sorry!

Thought I remembered visiting many of them in my job when they stretched from the Wicker Goods Station, all the way to Tinsley and beyond

Although I did hear that there is a lot of amnesia about these days.

Then that shows who the fools are which makes my point

2 wrongs dont make a right, being foolish twice doesnt make it right. we need to go forwards rather than back to some mythical land of unicorns

[tinfoilhat]

13 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Then all those steelworks, engineering firms, cutlery factories, shipyards and mills must be a figment of my imagination - sorry!

Thought I remembered visiting many of them in my job when they stretched from the Wicker Goods Station, all the way to Tinsley and beyond

Although I did hear that there is a lot of amnesia about these days.

 

You don't think we're going back to those days and heavy industries do you? 

[Sidonica]

33 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Then all those steelworks, engineering firms, cutlery factories, shipyards and mills must be a figment of my imagination - sorry!

Thought I remembered visiting many of them in my job when they stretched from the Wicker Goods Station, all the way to Tinsley and beyond

Although I did hear that there is a lot of amnesia about these days.

Then that shows who the fools are which makes my point

I was a teenager in the sixties and remember them well,  when we  left school there were plenty of jobs for everyone. In the 70's I voted to stay in the EU. I don't believe that leaving then would have made things better or that leaving now will improve my childrens and grandchildrens future. Those days you remember are long over and we need to move on.  My children were born in the 1980's and when they were old enough to  look for jobs their choices where limited. I do not believe that being in the EU caused that, you need to look at our governments (both Tory and Labour)  for the failings in the UK.