Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[apelike]

39 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

 

Blah blah blah.

Ahh.. A CBeebies moment, though I was right! 

 

8 minutes ago, Eater Sundae said:

If it wants a short term commercial loan, surely it can go to the marketplace. This would not contravene EU regulations.

Its similar to Forgemasters, they would not have been able to get a loan unless it was with government help.

Edited April 13, 2019 by apelike

[Mister M]

3 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

What would your description be of the biased BBC presenters.

 

Just as an aside, I point you to Question Time, where the first guest (forgot his name) asked to speak started off by saying that the usual BBC bias continues unabated,  "why am I the  only Brexiteer out of 5 guests", says it all in my opinion.

 

Angel1.

It was Charles Moore, editor of the Telegraph. When he was invited onto it's sister programme Any Questions on Radio 4, he did the same thing - whinged about the lack of impartiality (simply because the audience booed him)

[Mister Gee]

29 minutes ago, apelike said:

Ahh.. A CBeebies moment, though I was right! 

 

Its similar to Forgemasters, they would not have been able to get a loan unless it was with government help.

What's a CBeebies moment?

[RJRB]

9 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Then all those steelworks, engineering firms, cutlery factories, shipyards and mills must be a figment of my imagination - sorry!

Thought I remembered visiting many of them in my job when they stretched from the Wicker Goods Station, all the way to Tinsley and beyond

Although I did hear that there is a lot of amnesia about these days.

Then that shows who the fools are which makes my point

No they are not a figment of your imagination and I worked in steel and heavy engineering from 1965 onwards.

However year on year from that time such industries were in decline with wholesale closures,scaling down and passing into foreign ownership.

Perhaps I did see a time of reasonable optimism in the 60s,but this dissipated through the 70s and onwards.

Heavy Engineering ,shipbuilding ,auto engineering ,white goods ,Foundries were all in decline and I attended many an auction where our plant and equipment was snapped up for the Indian market.

No government has provided the long term backing needed for this country to be self sufficient and to serve the intermittent nature of large engineering projects.

Short term thinking ,asset stripping and outsourcing has killed our industry and I cannot see any prospect of creating a competitive manufacturing base in the future.

[Mister Gee]

 

[tinfoilhat]

42 minutes ago, RJRB said:

No they are not a figment of your imagination and I worked in steel and heavy engineering from 1965 onwards.

However year on year from that time such industries were in decline with wholesale closures,scaling down and passing into foreign ownership.

Perhaps I did see a time of reasonable optimism in the 60s,but this dissipated through the 70s and onwards.

Heavy Engineering ,shipbuilding ,auto engineering ,white goods ,Foundries were all in decline and I attended many an auction where our plant and equipment was snapped up for the Indian market.

No government has provided the long term backing needed for this country to be self sufficient and to serve the intermittent nature of large engineering projects.

Short term thinking ,asset stripping and outsourcing has killed our industry and I cannot see any prospect of creating a competitive manufacturing base in the future.

Do you own a British made washing machine? You can still buy them. Did you buy British Leyland car back in the 70s? 

 

[RJRB]

1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

Do you own a British made washing machine? You can still buy them. Did you buy British Leyland car back in the 70s? 

 

No and No

[tzijlstra]

7 hours ago, RJRB said:

No they are not a figment of your imagination and I worked in steel and heavy engineering from 1965 onwards.

However year on year from that time such industries were in decline with wholesale closures,scaling down and passing into foreign ownership.

Perhaps I did see a time of reasonable optimism in the 60s,but this dissipated through the 70s and onwards.

Heavy Engineering ,shipbuilding ,auto engineering ,white goods ,Foundries were all in decline and I attended many an auction where our plant and equipment was snapped up for the Indian market.

No government has provided the long term backing needed for this country to be self sufficient and to serve the intermittent nature of large engineering projects.

Short term thinking ,asset stripping and outsourcing has killed our industry and I cannot see any prospect of creating a competitive manufacturing base in the future.

Sorry, but nonsense. A certain form of ‘manufacturing’ was sold off, the UK is one of the world leaders in added value manufacturing though. There is a reason that F1 teams are headquartered here for example. Unfortunately it is these specialised businesses that might well suffer from Brexit the most.

9 hours ago, apelike said:

Ahh.. A CBeebies moment, though I was right! 

 

Its similar to Forgemasters, they would not have been able to get a loan unless it was with government help.

Addendum, they could have under EU rules, not under Javid’s rules. Just a reminder that it was also Javid who blocked increased tariffs on cheap Chinese steel, not the EU...

[RJRB]

5 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

Sorry, but nonsense. A certain form of ‘manufacturing’ was sold off, the UK is one of the world leaders in added value manufacturing though. There is a reason that F1 teams are headquartered here for example. Unfortunately it is these specialised businesses that might well suffer from Brexit the most.

Addendum, they could have under EU rules, not under Javid’s rules. Just a reminder that it was also Javid who blocked increased tariffs on cheap Chinese steel, not the EU...

Without going too far off the thread ,there seems to be some thoughts that Britain can once again regain its position as a leading industrial and manufacturing power.

All I can see is not in the foreseeable future.

The certain form of manufacturing that shrunk or disappeared over the last few decades is not coming back to our shores.

I do not doubt that we have talent and can compete in some niche areas,but the basic building blocks of heavy engineering have been allowed to reduce due to lack of investment.

How many major building projects have been constructed from imported structural steel.

We have a deserved reputation for innovation and skills but not so good on supporting manufacturing.

[apelike]

6 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

Addendum, they could have under EU rules, not under Javid’s rules. Just a reminder that it was also Javid who blocked increased tariffs on cheap Chinese steel, not the EU...

Oh I agree, but was trying to point out that both have sought a government loan as it would have been very unlikely that they would get one from elsewhere. The last sentence is a bit immaterial in this.