Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Robin-H]

22 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

There is no ‘someone’.

 

As I have said a number of times, there is no such archetypal person who has all the characteristics however the group does share some of these characteristics.

 

Although not precisely the same, you may find it easier to understand put like this.

 

If you are a racist you were more likely to have voted to leave.

 

If you are poorly educated, you were more likely to have voted leave.

 

If you are unemployed, you were more likely to have voted leave.

 

If you have underachieved, you were more likely to have voted leave.

 

Get the picture?

 

All I want is evidence for that (or the original claim, as underachieving and achieving very little aren't the same thing). That is the very first thing I asked for, and you have failed to provide it numerous times I've asked for. 

 

As I've already said, I have seen polls that show the correlation between age, educational attainment, unemployment, views on race and immigration etc etc and leave voters. I'm not sure why it needed saying again in a different way? 

 

I have not seen any poll, or any of the sociological studies you said there were, that have said that leave voters have achieved very little in life. 

 

I am well aware that you understand that there may or may not be an archetypical person that has all the characteristics that the majority of leave voters share on certain aspects. You have claimed however that one of the characteristics is that they have achieved very little in life. As I've stated, I find it very hard to believe that any poll or study has stated that, and have yet to been proved wrong. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by Robin-H

[Longcol]

14 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The majority of Leave voters did so because they were unhappy about the number of ‘foreigners’ allowed into the UK but seem to have no problem with a completely open 310 mile long border into the UK. 🙄

I do wonder if a large majority of leavers imagine there are passport controls etc in place between Northern Ireland and GB.

[Top Cats Hat]

23 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

You have claimed however that one of the characteristics is that they have achieved very little in life. As I've stated, I find it very hard to believe that any poll or study has stated that, and have yet to been proved wrong. 

I doubt that any poll or study would state that a characteristic was that they ‘have achieved very little in life’ as those are my words. A sociologist would use a less pejorative and more scientific metric for economic and social underachievement.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by Top Cats Hat

[Top Cats Hat]

3 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

If they were totally taken in then they are not fit to handle the finances of millions of their citizens.

They don’t.

 

Governments of the member states handle the finances of the millions of their own citizens. 

[retep]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

Ireland isn't a bargaining tool. It's an EU member state. It's not in its geopolitical interest to see a border with Northern Ireland, nor is it in the interest of the EU's Single Market to allow a third country (what the UK will be after Brexit) to have an open border with it. So the EU defends both Ireland's interest and its collective own.

 

The EU27 have long expected to cut their cloth after the UK leaves, including in case the UK welches on its divorcing tab. As a fervent Eurosceptic, I trust that you are sufficiently familiar with the EU budget and members' contributions, to realise how manageable those national contributions increases will be for the EU27?

 

You might like to take a look at Ireland's economy and Brexit preparations of the last 2 years, by the way. They'll take a hit, sure. Nowhere near like what you seem to think, however. And orders of magnitude less, at a national scale, relative to the UK.

 

We are of course talking about the Republic, here. Not the UK region that is Northern Ireland, for which you will be paying. Having seen their Brexit forecasts and preparations...don't fancy yours much 

 

There is going to be massive costs to the EU, and that's just in flags and stationery, unless you can get another mug to join.

 

 

 

No deal no bill

[Longcol]

1 minute ago, retep said:

There is going to be massive costs to the EU, and that's just in flags and stationery, unless you can get another mug to join.

 

Which flags are going to change? No need to change the EU flag (nor for that matter the Union Flag - for now).

[Top Cats Hat]

4 minutes ago, retep said:

No deal no bill

So refusing to pay our debts is going to make it:

 

a) More likely to get good trade deals outside the EU.

 

b) Less likely to get good trade deals outside the EU.

 

People who welch on their debts generally tend to find it hard to get credit.

[Pettytom]

50 minutes ago, retep said:

There is going to be massive costs to the EU, and that's just in flags and stationery, unless you can get another mug to join.

 

 

 

No deal no bill

Firstly, reneging on our commitments to the EU would be the end of us as a country. Nobody would be interested in a trade deal with a country that doesn’t pay its debts.

 

Secondly, why would the EU need to change its flag? I’m assuming that most Brexiters can count to 27  and to 12. Some of them could probably use their fingers to help

[tinfoilhat]

Boris has found a few more quid behind the sofa.

 

No-deal Brexit plans to get £2.1bn boost https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324

 

Add that to the billion bung to to gob frothers at the DUP and you have to ask, even as a Tory voter, if austerity was a ideological move or for the good of the country’s bank balance.

[Top Cats Hat]

57 minutes ago, retep said:

There is going to be massive costs to the EU, and that's just in flags and stationery, unless you can get another mug to join.

Really?

 

I guarantee that Scotland and Ireland* will leave the UK before the EU loses any more members.

 

(*and if yesterday’s Newsnight is to be believed, even Wales is seriously reconsidering remaining in a bankrupt union with England, after Scotland and Ireland leave.)