Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Mister Gee]

19 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I’d love to, but he seems to be saying while he was drinking to excess and dressing up in Nazi uniforms he was ‘good’ Harry, but then he goes and marries a mixed race woman and starts talking about the environment and becomes ‘bad’ Harry. 😕

 

In other news, Trumps’s attack dog John Bolton is in London saying that the US is championing the idea of a ‘no deal’ Brexit. Surely even the dumbest of Leave supporters should have at least some alarm bells ringing at this idea.

Bolton is a full weight wrong un. Of all the reasons to oppose a hard Brexit the fact that Bolton and Trump want it is a very  compelling one.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Mister Gee

[steve68]

1 hour ago, Ontarian1981 said:

LOL , right on the money ,mate. 

I guess people like to think themselves as being intellectuals, but I dare say no better or worse than the current set of clowns down at Westminster.

 

This thread is  for those  afforded with perfectionist traits.

 

 

[tinfoilhat]

20 minutes ago, steve68 said:

I guess people like to think themselves as being intellectuals, but I dare say no better or worse than the current set of clowns down at Westminster.

 

This thread is  for those  afforded with perfectionist traits.

 

 

I’m not a perfectionist, or an intellectual - far from it. Consequences - both predicted and realised - have been put on here, then they get shouted down as project fear. Evidence is presented and dismissed. Pleas for brexit positives are asked for and ignored (I’ve asked my mp and he’s got **** all as well). 

 

The only new thing recently is the weapons grade lies coming from Johnson and his cohorts. They are really are whoppers and very easily provable. I know brexiters don’t post as much but they can still find time to call me a remoaner and blame me and my ilk for the lack of brexit (despite the erg not voting for mays deal) and periodically calling me a traitor.

 

There. You’re all caught up. Pretty much 3 years of it.

 

And now I’m done.

[melthebell]

8 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I’m not a perfectionist, or an intellectual - far from it. Consequences - both predicted and realised - have been put on here, then they get shouted down as project fear. Evidence is presented and dismissed. Pleas for brexit positives are asked for and ignored (I’ve asked my mp and he’s got **** all as well). 

 

The only new thing recently is the weapons grade lies coming from Johnson and his cohorts. They are really are whoppers and very easily provable. I know brexiters don’t post as much but they can still find time to call me a remoaner and blame me and my ilk for the lack of brexit (despite the erg not voting for mays deal) and periodically calling me a traitor.

 

There. You’re all caught up. Pretty much 3 years of it.

 

And now I’m done.

Exactly

[steve68]

52 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I’m not a perfectionist, or an intellectual - far from it. Consequences - both predicted and realised - have been put on here, then they get shouted down as project fear. Evidence is presented and dismissed. Pleas for brexit positives are asked for and ignored (I’ve asked my mp and he’s got **** all as well). 

 

The only new thing recently is the weapons grade lies coming from Johnson and his cohorts. They are really are whoppers and very easily provable. I know brexiters don’t post as much but they can still find time to call me a remoaner and blame me and my ilk for the lack of brexit (despite the erg not voting for mays deal) and periodically calling me a traitor.

 

There. You’re all caught up. Pretty much 3 years of it.

 

And now I’m done.

The key word was (traits)   Another one I maybe should have added was that of Neuroticism 

[Ontarian1981]

59 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I’m not a perfectionist, or an intellectual - far from it. Consequences - both predicted and realised - have been put on here, then they get shouted down as project fear. Evidence is presented and dismissed. Pleas for brexit positives are asked for and ignored (I’ve asked my mp and he’s got **** all as well). 

 

The only new thing recently is the weapons grade lies coming from Johnson and his cohorts. They are really are whoppers and very easily provable. I know brexiters don’t post as much but they can still find time to call me a remoaner and blame me and my ilk for the lack of brexit (despite the erg not voting for mays deal) and periodically calling me a traitor.

 

There. You’re all caught up. Pretty much 3 years of it.

 

And now I’m done.

So if you are done, does that mean you have switched sides? 

Love the "weapons grade lies". That is really funny, and I am not being sarcastic.Lol

[convert]

4 hours ago, L00b said:

A measured response, but dodging the issue: do you have an opinion about proroguing Parliament to get Brexit through (assuming Johnson isn't bluffing) , or about the 44%|54% who approve of the notion?

 

(we can keep Carney's massive QE effort in the week that followed the 2016 ref and it's effect on UK plc for another time, I'm assuming you're also familiar with that one?)

I believe that proroguing Parliament to be wrong. I also believe that our elected MPs are also wrong for delaying, or even thwarting Brexit. I think the only poll that matters is the taken by the country in 2016.

Having written to my MP ( my constituency voted 66% in favour of leave - estimate) asking why he has consistently voted against Brexit, only to be told 'it's complicated' and that he knows better than his uneducated constituents, I have explained that although I don't agree with him, I respect his right, as our representative, to vote according to his conscience, and that he must also respect mine come the next GE.k

 

As for the BofE QE, I understand that prior to the referendum, they had already undertaken £375 billion of assets on, and that in August 2016 they added another £70 billion, hardly a large scale increase to an already massive, long established program.

 

Tell me, what was the scale of QE implemented by the ECB during that period?

[Mister Gee]

16 hours ago, convert said:

Well it looks like (according to a recent poll), that 54% of people (who expressed an opinion other than 'don't know') support the suspension of Parliament, to get Brexit over and done with.

 

https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/The-Telegraph_August-2019-Tables.pdf

 

Page 87 for those interested.

"54% of women find me totally irresistible according to the Telegraph ..."

Edited August 14, 2019 by Mister Gee

[Top Cats Hat]

1 hour ago, convert said:

Having written to my MP ( my constituency voted 66% in favour of leave - estimate) asking why he has consistently voted against Brexit, only to be told 'it's complicated' and that he knows better than his uneducated constituents,

Your MP is not under any obligation to vote as you or any other individual constituent thinks that they should. Their only obligation is to do what they believe to be in their constituents’ best interests. Even if 66% of your constituency did vote leave, which leave voters should your MP represent? Those who want a Norway deal? Those who favour a Canada deal? A customs Union? A soft Brexit? A no deal Brexit?

 

The votes in Parliament were not in/out binary choices. They were votes on a variety of options and if there were problems with any of these options why on earth would an MP vote for them. It is not possible to please everyone, but here are many different versions of Brexit but only one version of Remain so supporting Remain is actually likely to be please most constituents.

[L00b]

10 hours ago, convert said:

I believe that proroguing Parliament to be wrong. I also believe that our elected MPs are also wrong for delaying, or even thwarting Brexit. I think the only poll that matters is the taken by the country in 2016.

Having written to my MP ( my constituency voted 66% in favour of leave - estimate) asking why he has consistently voted against Brexit, only to be told 'it's complicated' and that he knows better than his uneducated constituents, I have explained that although I don't agree with him, I respect his right, as our representative, to vote according to his conscience, and that he must also respect mine come the next GE.k

 

As for the BofE QE, I understand that prior to the referendum, they had already undertaken £375 billion of assets on, and that in August 2016 they added another £70 billion, hardly a large scale increase to an already massive, long established program.

 

Tell me, what was the scale of QE implemented by the ECB during that period?

The QE implemented by the ECB in that period was in scale to the €zone, and for the exact same reason the BofE had pumped those £375bn into the UK economy: to mitigate the lingering effects of the 2008 GFC and reboot the economy.

 

The point is, the only reason the BofE slapped that extra 20% worth of QE on the existing, GFC-mitigating pile in August 2016, was to stave off  the post-referendum economic doldrums forecast by the Treasury, the BofE and just about every living and breathing economist short of the ERG's very own Minford.

 

Just like all that system risk analysis, rational planning and project management took care of the Y2K issue back in the late 90s, Carney's unilateral course of action worked. I remember very well what he got from the media and pundits, for his UK economy-saving trouble: nothing but scorn and more aggravation.

 

Good of you to acknowledge the representative role of an MP. Wish you'd exercise the same objectivity before choosing to post shameless Torygraph propaganda.

 

Not worth commenting about your belief that the 2016 referendum must be implemented, without the benefit of your rationale for Brexit.

Edited August 14, 2019 by L00b