Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Dardandec]

4 minutes ago, Butterscene said:

When will people understand that if the other side (the EU) know full well that we won't countenance a no deal, then that renders our bargaining position with them worthless?

So what else would  they offer if this wasn't the case? It's alright screaming for the backstop to be removed, but the Republic of Island is in the EU, Northern Island isn't, there has to be a border and the EU know this.You are a leaver, that's fine if you want to be, but instead of spending all your life gunning at the remainers, why don't you all get you're heads together and work out what Brexit actually means. Non of this nonsense was on any fake propaganda political broadcast at the time.  The deal the EU has offered is already on the table. Leave without a deal, then what? wouldn't we have to join the customs union and other stuff anyway?  Not one of you seem to know what the hell is happening, and that isn't helping anyone leave or remain.

[RJRB]

1 hour ago, Butterscene said:

When will people understand that if the other side (the EU) know full well that we won't countenance a no deal, then that renders our bargaining position with them worthless? this is very basic stuff.

 

The fact is people like you don't view the EU as the other side; you're batting for them aren't you?

To go into a negotiation stating “concede or I will shoot myself”doesn’t carry much of a threat though.

[Lockdoctor]

10 hours ago, Padders said:

Big fan of your posts TCH, but I fail to see the logic in some of your posts. we voted to leave by a very small majority , simple fact, can"t argue against it.. however I do believe that peoples opinions have changed dramatically over the last 3yrs, mine included, and should we now have another vote, remain would win by a landslide.

The recent European Election results don't support your belief that peoples opinions have changed dramatically over the last three years.  The Brexit Party won more seats and a bigger share of the vote in the European Elections in 2019 than UKIP did in 2014.  There isn't going to be another referendum but in a hypothetical second referendum scenario, then  it is more likely that Leave would win by a bigger margin than your biased view that Remain would win by a landslide.

[tinfoilhat]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

The recent European Election results don't support your belief that peoples opinions have changed dramatically over the last three years.  The Brexit Party won more seats and a bigger share of the vote in the European Elections in 2019 than UKIP did in 2014.  There isn't going to be another referendum but in a hypothetical second referendum scenario, then  it is more likely that Leave would win by a bigger margin than your biased view that Remain would win by a landslide.

As Labour are now moving to remain, all Boris needs to do is call a general election. With all those angry leavers voting Tory, he'll stroll it, get a nice majority and do what he likes - all above board.

 

Right?

[Lockdoctor]

17 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

As Labour are now moving to remain, all Boris needs to do is call a general election. With all those angry leavers voting Tory, he'll stroll it, get a nice majority and do what he likes - all above board.

 

Right?

I think the Tories will win the next General Election with a comfortable majority. The date of the next General Election can be announced before our country leaves the EU on 31st October.  If there is a General Election as consequences of a no-confidence vote then that will help the Tory Party because of the opinions of unbiased people Boris has made a good start in his new job as our country's Prime Minister.  By all accounts, Boris had a good G7 summit and is well-liked by the foreign World leaders.  Things are looking much better for our country since Boris has become our Prime Minister and the unbiased section of the electorate will have those thoughts firmly in their minds and look at the alternative when they vote in the next General Election.

[Top Cats Hat]

11 hours ago, Butterscene said:

When will people understand that if the other side (the EU) know full well that we won't countenance a no deal, then that renders our bargaining position with them worthless? this is very basic stuff.

 

The fact is people like you don't view the EU as the other side; you're batting for them aren't you?

Our bargaining position was worthless from the day we triggered Article 50. As I have said before, it was like crashing your car on the way to a car dealers and then expecting them to still give you top book price for it.

[Robin-H]

34 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Our bargaining position was worthless from the day we triggered Article 50. As I have said before, it was like crashing your car on the way to a car dealers and then expecting them to still give you top book price for it.

But there could be no negotiations until Article 50 was triggered. 

[tinfoilhat]

49 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

I think the Tories will win the next General Election with a comfortable majority. The date of the next General Election can be announced before our country leaves the EU on 31st October.  If there is a General Election as consequences of a no-confidence vote then that will help the Tory Party because of the opinions of unbiased people Boris has made a good start in his new job as our country's Prime Minister.  By all accounts, Boris had a good G7 summit and is well-liked by the foreign World leaders.  Things are looking much better for our country since Boris has become our Prime Minister and the unbiased section of the electorate will have those thoughts firmly in their minds and look at the alternative when they vote in the next General Election.

Then he should have one now, get his deal (ha!) Or no deal through parliament, knowing he has a genuine mandate to do so and not feel the need to create a quasi-dictatorship and circumnavigate parliamentary democracy on the most important matter this country has faced since world war 2. 

3 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

But there could be no negotiations until Article 50 was triggered. 

But we could have had a sensible starting position before we triggered it, maybe even a plan. We didn't. We still haven't!

[Longcol]

2 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

 

But we could have had a sensible starting position before we triggered it, maybe even a plan. We didn't. We still haven't!

What - you mean sending David Davis to bluster away when he could be bothered turning up at meetings wasn't a plan?

[Robin-H]

3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Then he should have one now, get his deal (ha!) Or no deal through parliament, knowing he has a genuine mandate to do so and not feel the need to create a quasi-dictatorship and circumnavigate parliamentary democracy on the most important matter this country has faced since world war 2. 

But we could have had a sensible starting position before we triggered it, maybe even a plan. We didn't. We still haven't!

We did. It was to negotiate a deal with the EU. It’s what Mrs May spent a long time doing. 

 

The fact that parliament can’t agree now makes it incredible unlikely they would have agreed a plan when they had no idea what the EU was going to offer.