ANGELFIRE1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 19/03/2019 at 16:05, m0nkey said: We stopped coal for economic reasons not environmental, always the same / nothing will change until the availability and cost of extracting fossils is more than renewables or other cleaner alternatives. Not really, some Pits were actually making brass. Maggie Thatcher closed the mines. Don't you remember the 6 Mar 1984 – 3 Mar 1985 strike. Angel1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Alot of pits needed work though, especially on H&S grounds which meant improved equipment and such. Pits were still making money, but given the investment needed and the remaining extractable coal it didn't make sense to throw a load of money at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euclid Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 19/03/2019 at 16:05, m0nkey said: We stopped coal for economic reasons not environmental, always the same / nothing will change until the availability and cost of extracting fossils is more than renewables or other cleaner alternatives. I remember long ago listening to "Rony Robinson",on his talk show was a man who had been at a seminar in the USA in the 50's where Churchill was speaking..he said to quote "the only way forward in Britain is to destroy the unions,and the first one has to be the strongest,the NUM,once that goes the rest will follow,it will never happen in my lifetime..but it will happen"..and he was right,they were intent of getting rid of the miners too...they never forgave them for the strikes of 1972/74 and the collapse of the Heath government On 22/03/2019 at 14:02, geared said: I'd like to see any working class Brit down the pit again. You can guarantee the universal response would be "You ain't getting me down there pal" Don't be so sure of that..a lot of ex/new-miners would probably be happy to have a job again...i have lived in mining area's all my life and have seen the devastation caused by pits closing On 22/03/2019 at 14:15, apelike said: Spot on and not only that this coal will be very expensive to mine as well. Here is what it was like when I worked down one: full of dirt, shale and coal dust, dark, damp, no facilities such as places to eat or toilets, no females, dangerous equipment, lethal and explosive gasses and at that time not even the minimum wage was paid. What did you expect??..the cheapest way to aquire coal is and always will be to "opencast"..but nobody wants this either....I worked in "opencast mining " for95% of my working life...the other 5% spent on motorways/roads etc....no facilities there either, i ate wherever i was working,as well as "the call's of nature"..,no facilities for washing hands unless there was a puddle nearby,..if you got wet..you stayed wet for the next 12-16 hours..........Have you ever watched the 1941 film..."How Green Was My Valley"..i watched it again a few weeks ago..this is how it was... On 22/03/2019 at 21:26, ez8004 said: That is a bizzard statement. First of all coal mining and hence power generation from coal nowadays is considered environmentally very damaging. There is no practical carbon capture scheme that can make it remotely feasible. Renewable and nuclear are the only options for meeting our future energy requirements. I would just like to quote you something you may be interested in.....from the Doncaster Free Press...."AROUND 500 new jobs are to be created when the world's largest power station of its type is built in Doncaster. The Government has given the go-ahead for a massive 900 mega-watt station to be built by mining company Powerfuel at Hatfield Colliery which will power a million homes. Powerfuel plans to build a low emission gas burning station at the site before converting it into an even more environmentally friendly coal gasification power station. Development of the station is due to begin in June and end in 2012. It is expected to create 500 temporary construction jobs.The clean coal station will see coal converted into carbon monoxide and hydrogen which will be mixed at high temperatures with oxygen to create a gas mixture called synthesis gas. It is hoped work to covert the station into a clean coal unit will start in 2014 but is dependent on Government approval.Richard Budge, boss at Powerfuel, said: "This consent allows Powerfuel to implement our plans for the large-scale production of low carbon electricity in the north of England from a secure source based here in the UK. "I am confident we will successfully convert the combined cycle gas turbine power station into an even more environmentally friendly integrated coal gasification combined cycle station which will be constructed by 2014." On 23/03/2019 at 00:52, apelike said: No problems with that but its basically impossible to have mines working to current H&S standards and also have them work at a profit unless the mines are automated, and that is not very cost effective. Lets face it H&S were welcome..at first...but they just became ridiculous...my father..ex miner..always said the best thing that was ever done for them was...building "PIT BATHS"...I can still remember him and the other miners walking down the streets ..as "black as coal" with just their eyes/mouths showing,most still wearing their helmet's and knee pad's...As i said previously "Opencasting"..is profitable.. 15 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said: Not really, some Pits were actually making brass. Maggie Thatcher closed the mines. Don't you remember the 6 Mar 1984 – 3 Mar 1985 strike. Angel1. I remember it well..i used to pass "High Moor Colliery" on my way to work at an "opencast site"..,..well before it started there were lorries queued for miles in each direction waiting to fill up with coal for the Power Stations....when they had more than enough on stock..she led Scargill straight into it... I got stopped more than once by the police and asked where i was bound..they would then radio ahead and tell me if it was alright to proceed..when i arrived at work there was always police there.....just to say the Miners never bothered us....but they did bother the lorries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, euclid said: Don't be so sure of that..a lot of ex/new-miners would probably be happy to have a job again... Somehow I very much doubt that ex miners would want to go down as they would be too old. As for new-miners I think the conditions would certainly put most off. 46 minutes ago, euclid said: What did you expect??..the cheapest way to aquire coal is and always will be to "opencast"..but nobody wants this either.... At that time I expected what I discovered but as pointed out above how many young people would now be willing to put up with those conditions. Opencast is profitable and that what the other mines operating in the UK are but this new proposed pit it seems would be a deep mine. 46 minutes ago, euclid said: I would just like to quote you something you may be interested in.....from the Doncaster Free Press...."AROUND 500 new jobs are to be created when the world's largest power station of its type is built in Doncaster. The Government has given the go-ahead for a massive 900 mega-watt station to be built by mining company Powerfuel at Hatfield Colliery which will power a million homes. And did that one ever get built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, euclid said: I remember long ago listening to "Rony Robinson",on his talk show was a man who had been at a seminar in the USA in the 50's where Churchill was speaking..he said to quote "the only way forward in Britain is to destroy the unions,and the first one has to be the strongest,the NUM,once that goes the rest will follow,it will never happen in my lifetime..but it will happen"..and he was right,they were intent of getting rid of the miners too...they never forgave them for the strikes of 1972/74 and the collapse of the Heath government Don't be so sure of that..a lot of ex/new-miners would probably be happy to have a job again...i have lived in mining area's all my life and have seen the devastation caused by pits closing What did you expect??..the cheapest way to aquire coal is and always will be to "opencast"..but nobody wants this either....I worked in "opencast mining " for95% of my working life...the other 5% spent on motorways/roads etc....no facilities there either, i ate wherever i was working,as well as "the call's of nature"..,no facilities for washing hands unless there was a puddle nearby,..if you got wet..you stayed wet for the next 12-16 hours..........Have you ever watched the 1941 film..."How Green Was My Valley"..i watched it again a few weeks ago..this is how it was... I would just like to quote you something you may be interested in.....from the Doncaster Free Press...."AROUND 500 new jobs are to be created when the world's largest power station of its type is built in Doncaster. The Government has given the go-ahead for a massive 900 mega-watt station to be built by mining company Powerfuel at Hatfield Colliery which will power a million homes. Powerfuel plans to build a low emission gas burning station at the site before converting it into an even more environmentally friendly coal gasification power station. Development of the station is due to begin in June and end in 2012. It is expected to create 500 temporary construction jobs.The clean coal station will see coal converted into carbon monoxide and hydrogen which will be mixed at high temperatures with oxygen to create a gas mixture called synthesis gas. It is hoped work to covert the station into a clean coal unit will start in 2014 but is dependent on Government approval.Richard Budge, boss at Powerfuel, said: "This consent allows Powerfuel to implement our plans for the large-scale production of low carbon electricity in the north of England from a secure source based here in the UK. "I am confident we will successfully convert the combined cycle gas turbine power station into an even more environmentally friendly integrated coal gasification combined cycle station which will be constructed by 2014." Lets face it H&S were welcome..at first...but they just became ridiculous...my father..ex miner..always said the best thing that was ever done for them was...building "PIT BATHS"...I can still remember him and the other miners walking down the streets ..as "black as coal" with just their eyes/mouths showing,most still wearing their helmet's and knee pad's...As i said previously "Opencasting"..is profitable.. I remember it well..i used to pass "High Moor Colliery" on my way to work at an "opencast site"..,..well before it started there were lorries queued for miles in each direction waiting to fill up with coal for the Power Stations....when they had more than enough on stock..she led Scargill straight into it... I got stopped more than once by the police and asked where i was bound..they would then radio ahead and tell me if it was alright to proceed..when i arrived at work there was always police there.....just to say the Miners never bothered us....but they did bother the lorries... The Doncaster power station you quote was never built. Do you know why? Because there is no such thing as a clean coal power station. Anyone who believes otherwise is either deluded or doesn’t understand the reality of the science behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euclid Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, ez8004 said: The Doncaster power station you quote was never built. Do you know why? Because there is no such thing as a clean coal power station. Anyone who believes otherwise is either deluded or doesn’t understand the reality of the science behind it. Powerfuel went into administration after failing to raise £635 million needed to build the clean coal power station and £30 million to upgrade the mine plus the powers that be didn't want coal anymore..full stop..Richard Budge..(died 2016).. had Russian backers which did not go down very well either...i think you are the one that is either deluded or naive..have a nice day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 hours ago, euclid said: Powerfuel went into administration after failing to raise £635 million needed to build the clean coal power station and £30 million to upgrade the mine plus the powers that be didn't want coal anymore..full stop..Richard Budge..(died 2016).. had Russian backers which did not go down very well either...i think you are the one that is either deluded or naive..have a nice day... *sigh. So called clean coal is an absolute myth. There is no scientific evidence that supports such an approach would meet our needs for clean energy. You give me a single scientific journal paper that says otherwise. There are ONLY two main sources of clean energy. Renewables (which includes the likes of solar, wind, hydroelectric, tidal etc) and nuclear. The burning of fossil fuels doesn't even come close. The fact that you think the burning of fossil fuels is a good idea really shows that you have zero credibility in giving any opinion on the matter. The sooner you stop spouting such nonsense the better. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 22/03/2019 at 21:26, ez8004 said: ...First of all coal mining and hence power generation from coal nowadays is considered environmentally very damaging. ... The coal that is to be mined at Whitehaven has nothing to do with power generation. The coal mined at Whitehaven will reduce overall carbon dioxide emission. Hence all the points raised in comparing the economics and carbon footprint of power production is irrelevant to the benefit of opening this mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 9 hours ago, ez8004 said: *sigh. So called clean coal is an absolute myth. There is no scientific evidence that supports such an approach would meet our needs for clean energy. You give me a single scientific journal paper that says otherwise. There are ONLY two main sources of clean energy. Renewables (which includes the likes of solar, wind, hydroelectric, tidal etc) and nuclear. The burning of fossil fuels doesn't even come close. The fact that you think the burning of fossil fuels is a good idea really shows that you have zero credibility in giving any opinion on the matter. The sooner you stop spouting such nonsense the better. Thank you. It was explained earlier that this mine is proposed to make coking coal for nearby steel making. The renewables mentioned have no use in that instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Hopefully it will also provide our heritage railways too. https://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/from-our-archives-coal-fear-is-no-smoke-screen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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