Climate change protests

[geared]

3 minutes ago, euclid said:

What a perfect excuse for Sheffield Council to introduce a "congestion charge",and in doing so retailers will have an excuse to raise prices,and the bus companies,taxi's etc etc...  ......bet some councillor 's thought of it already..

You are aware plans for a clean air charging zone were approved last year right?

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[the fonz]

35 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

what good has this done? simple question

Well you are talking about it.

 

Protests like this arent designed to win support there are designed to cause disruption.

 

Like the lorry drivers on the M1 the idea is to get the politicians talking about the issues.

[geared]

6 minutes ago, the fonz said:

Like the lorry drivers on the M1 the idea is to get the politicians talking about the issues.

 

Except in that case all they are currently talking about is Brexit, they barely do anything else.

Eat, sleep, Brexit.

[sheffbag]

Im not talking about the issue though, im talking about the "protesters" and asking what Halibut thinks they have achieved. 

 

You really think politicians care, and as i put, we are an insignificant impact on any global environment change. Until the US and China drastically amend their output, a bunch of people will change precisely zero except maybe alienate potential supporters.

 

You cite the M1 rolling disruption plan. At least people know abuot that and can make alternate arrangements to minimise the individual impact on them. These idiots just appeared. 

 

 

[WalkleyIan]

44 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

Tell you what, why not tell us exactly what the "protest" achieved this morning? we are all aware of climate change issues, a bunch of people causing massive pollution 5 miles back (considering traffic was stood still at Catcliffe on the parkway)

I head out to the  AMP every morning  . An inbound tailback past ASDA is the norm  after 8.15 so didn't realise there was a protest in town. It  just the looked like the usual queue of single occupancy cars. Was it moving more slowly than usual?  What about the pollution that queue causes every day when there isn't a protest on? 

[MarkS20]

Good on em.

Hope this major issue gets as much, or hopefully more, support and attention as replacing some street trees.

[ads36]

48 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

You cite the M1 rolling disruption plan. At least people know abuot that and can make alternate arrangements to minimise the individual impact on them. These idiots just appeared. 

I heard about it yesterday, so I cycled to work while MsWife is working from home.

 

It wasn't a secret.

 

Sheffield has terrible traffic every day, who are we going to blame tomorrow? ( And the day after that, and the day after that, etc. etc. Repeat to fade)

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[TimmyR]

if all the drivers were cycling the protest would have held no one up.  There is nothing more illogical that people sitting in huge queues of cars blaming everything other than themselves for the huge queues of cars.  What people don't seem to realise is they are held up every day because of people driving cars - a commute taking 40 minutes which could be done in 20 by bike, that adds up. And this protest demonstrates clearly how little it takes to completely snarl everything up.  

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[Guest makapaka]

2 hours ago, sheffbag said:

Thanks for getting me a warning at work for being late due to your "awareness" antics this morning clogging up the parkway.

 

wonder how many of them drove to it 

I'd direct your anger at your employer for giving you a warning for something which is clearly out of your control.

 

 

[Fougasse]

1 hour ago, sheffbag said:

You know something Halibut, i just knew you would be along with some sarky comment designed to not even contribute to the conversation.

 

Tell you what, why not tell us exactly what the "protest" achieved this morning? we are all aware of climate change issues, a bunch of people causing massive pollution 5 miles back (considering traffic was stood still at Catcliffe on the parkway) They caused jack all and when "Dr Bing" was interviewed he came across as a snowflake pillock whos answer to "what about the people sat in cars with engines idling" just replied "they should turn their engines off" or when the interviewer pointed out that a Dr was in the traffic trying to get to his patients replied "its a small inconveniance". Tell that to the people trying to get to work, back home from work, kids to school, hospital appointments.

 

Do you think anyone going for a DWP assessment this morning will be ok because they missed their time spot, but hey, they also have a sh*t attitude don't they Halibut?

 

Take the example set by the children who went and protested outside the town hall instead of alienating a shed load of potential supporters. Or even go and do it outside the taxi rank where cars sit idling all day.

 

My attitude as you put it is very clear, i support recylcing, i try to do my bit where possible to reduce my carbon emissions but lets be honest when China is producing over 8 times the amount of CO2 emissions that the UK is doing (source EU Edgar report 2013, probably higher now) what positive impact will a group of people stopping traffic have? 

 

what good has this done? simple question

They're all legitimate points imo.

 

So, what good has it done? For you probably none. For most of us probably none. For business probably none.

 

But it's a start. And because the authorities will do - and we all know this from experience - sod all, someone has to start somewhere with everything. Rosa Parks started something in the US back in 1955 and changed a lot. People have changed awareness of plastic pollution only recently. Campaigns raise awareness for people, because at the bottom of almost every issue are two problems: business and government (large and small) and neither will do anything unless forced to do so because 'it affects jobs and profits'.  As if.

 

So in the end, the only way campaigns can get any traction - because asking nicely will get only get a laugh if you're lucky - is more often by some form of disruption or direct action. Not always, but in the cases where businesses AND gov't are affected, mostly.

 

And this particular issue is actually killing people, and the environment. Is that a good reason to disrupt the daily routine of people's lives, especially people who might be penalised by the DWP? 

 

I dunno. You tell me.