Climate change protests

[francypants]

21 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

We know that.   Its been news for decades.     The question is WHAT action?  

 

Getting in the way and causing major disruption to ordinary people going about their lives whilst at the same time being complete hypocrites and using the very companies and services that you are supposed to be protesting against achieves what exactly?

 

Action is tackling the governments and organisations who are in a position to do something about it.   Action is tackling the countires and government regimes who are the worst pollutors.   Action is working within and alongside said governments and organisations on a practical level to achieve what is necessary.  Action is proper education from an early age of the potential impact and steps to reduce it.   Action is proper education to the wider society and working WITH the public on a practical level. 

 

Action is NOT shouting, chanting, waving banners, dressing up and and generally getting in the way of and severely disruping people without any actual practical purpose.     It might be a surprise but that sort of moronic behavior is just the type of thing which will make the public actually turn against you and wiping out any chance of being accepted as credible.

 

Its a lesson the Occupy movement failed to grasp and ER are heading the same way.

 

 

 Exactly !     

 

 

 

 

     

[tinfoilhat]

26 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

We know that.   Its been news for decades.     The question is WHAT action?  

 

Getting in the way and causing major disruption to ordinary people going about their lives whilst at the same time being complete hypocrites and using the very companies and services that you are supposed to be protesting against achieves what exactly?

 

Action is tackling the governments and organisations who are in a position to do something about it.   Action is tackling the countires and government regimes who are the worst pollutors.   Action is working within and alongside said governments and organisations on a practical level to achieve what is necessary.  Action is proper education from an early age of the potential impact and steps to reduce it.   Action is proper education to the wider society and working WITH the public on a practical level. 

 

Action is NOT shouting, chanting, waving banners, dressing up and and generally getting in the way of and severely disruping people without any actual practical purpose.     It might be a surprise but that sort of moronic behavior is just the type of thing which will make the public actually turn against you and wiping out any chance of being accepted as credible.

 

Its a lesson the Occupy movement failed to grasp and ER are heading the same way.

 

 

XR aren't occupy, they really aren't.

 

The science is known, it's out there, it's accepted by the majority of leading politicians and business leaders. What XR want them to do is greater action. Young Greta hasn't got the answers - she's said as much -  she just wants the grown ups to get their finger out.

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3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

XR aren't occupy, they really aren't.

 

Young Greta hasn't got the answers - she's said as much -  she just wants the grown ups to get their finger out.

So why she is not going after the Chinese government?  Or better still, why is there talk of her being put forward for a Nobel Peace Prize?

 

What has she actually done that Climate Change Scientists haven't?

[tinfoilhat]

2 minutes ago, Delayed said:

So why she is not going after the Chinese government?  Or better still, why is there talk of her being put forward for a Nobel Peace Prize?

 

What has she actually done that Climate Change Scientists haven't?

Because she'll be disappeared into a gulag if she pulls any of that in China?

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1 minute ago, tinfoilhat said:

Because she'll be disappeared into a gulag if she pulls any of that in China?

I just find it a little hypocritical of her basically scolding world leaders, bringing about legal action against several countries but ignores the worst offender.

 

But I think the same of Harry and Meghan jetting around whilst telling everyone to cut carbon emissions. 

[ECCOnoob]

36 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

XR aren't occupy, they really aren't.

 

The science is known, it's out there, it's accepted by the majority of leading politicians and business leaders. What XR want them to do is greater action. Young Greta hasn't got the answers - she's said as much -  she just wants the grown ups to get their finger out.

So what exactly does the child and her fanatical supporters suggest they do to speed up the process?    We can all sit there shouting and finger pointing with no solutions of our own.   Labour have spent 9 years doing just that.  

 

I would like to know how XR's action are working towards speeding up the process.   Causing unnecessary disruption, damage, expense and use of public resources whilst at the same time disrupting the general public is hardly working towards "getting them to pull their finger out".

 

Raising awareness, marches, legitimate protest outside the relevant targeted organisation are fine.    Deliberate disruption, blockade, chaining and gluing oneself to trains or buses is totally different. 

Edited October 10, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[hauxwell]

1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

We know that.   Its been news for decades.     The question is WHAT action?  

 

Getting in the way and causing major disruption to ordinary people going about their lives whilst at the same time being complete hypocrites and using the very companies and services that you are supposed to be protesting against achieves what exactly?

 

Action is tackling the governments and organisations who are in a position to do something about it.   Action is tackling the countires and government regimes who are the worst pollutors.   Action is working within and alongside said governments and organisations on a practical level to achieve what is necessary.  Action is proper education from an early age of the potential impact and steps to reduce it.   Action is proper education to the wider society and working WITH the public on a practical level. 

 

Action is NOT shouting, chanting, waving banners, dressing up and and generally getting in the way of and severely disruping people without any actual practical purpose.     It might be a surprise but that sort of moronic behavior is just the type of thing which will make the public actually turn against you and wiping out any chance of being accepted as credible.

 

Its a lesson the Occupy movement failed to grasp and ER are heading the same way.

 

 

A good post, I agree with you.

[tinfoilhat]

11 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

So what exactly does the child and her fanatical supporters suggest they do to speed up the process?    We can all sit there shouting and finger pointing with no solutions of our own.   Labour have spent 9 years doing just that.  

 

I would like to know how XR's action are working towards speeding up the process.   Causing unnecessary disruption, damage, expense and use of public resources whilst at the same time disrupting the general public is hardly working towards "getting them to pull their finger out".

 

Raising awareness, marches, legitimate protest outside the relevant targeted organisation are fine.    Deliberate disruption, blockade, chaining and gluing oneself to trains or buses is totally different. 

She isn't the grown up in the room, the grown ups are and I'd suggest some of the data she is trying to highlight is older than her.

 

She doesn't come with policy, policy makers do. Sadly her timing stinks as we have some truly awful leaders right around the globe. Large chunks of the media - as well illustrated on here - are climbing into her rather than the message. We could fly less, eat less meat, etc etc - look how well that's going down on this very forum.  People won't do that, literally to help themselves, because harry and Meghan got on a plane or young Greta looks a bit weird. 

[Top Cats Hat]

23 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

I would like to know how XR's action are working towards speeding up the process.   Causing unnecessary disruption, damage, expense and use of public resources whilst at the same time disrupting the general public is hardly working towards "getting them to pull their finger out".. 

Actually it is.

 

After years of non-disruptive, largely ignored protest this issue has finally made it to the top of the global political agenda. This is largely due to groups like Extinction Rebellion upping the ante.

 

Good luck to them.

 

 

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2 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

The question is WHAT action?  

there's loads that could be done, very easily.

 

*stop fracking - we need to leave fossil fuels in the ground.

*tax aviation fuel

*don't build the 3rd runway at heathrow - we need to fly less, not more.

*proceed with next-gen nuclear power (modular reactors - standardising design, and productionising refueling and decommisioning, massively reducing costs). the designs are more or less ready to go.

*prioritise and properly fund public and active travel. Trains should be cheaper than driving, even for families. Sheffield should have a network of safe cycle routes, right now it doesn't have 1 single route, never mind a network.

*restrict car use in cities with simple filters (bollards), strongly encouraging most journeys away from cars. look at the netherlands, they still love cars, but they have to go the long way round.  bikes/buses/trams/emergency services  can go direct A-B.

*plant trees 

*stop draining moorland - peat bogs are huge carbon sinks, at the moment they're largely drained for the benefit of sheep farming and grouse shooting

 

that's a few effective things for starters, and i'm just an amateur.

 

and that's before we start talking about rationing (?) things like flying, and meat.

 

all of the effective stuff needs to be top-down, there's lots of easy stuff to get us going, and we're doing none of it.

Edited October 10, 2019 by ads36