People going to work on bikes.

[WiseOwl182]

11 minutes ago, nikki-red said:

If youre going to state 'facts' please be prepared to also post links etc to back them up.

Thank you.

Really? Is that in the forum rules somewhere? Must've missed that one, as nobody else seems to stick to it.

 

Here you go.

 

"The Institute of Advanced Motorists have also revealed in their research that 57% of cyclists admit to running red lights"

[Cyclone]

Well that's half your assertion...

 

Funny how you didn't quote the next sentence though right.

 

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A 2013 YouGov poll found that 35% of cyclists admit to ignoring red lights at least “occasionally.”

But the really key thing is what % of motorists admit to the same thing.

8 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

A higher proportion of cyclists run red lights than motorists.

What's that got to do with my statement that I quoted though?

 

Tell you what, if we're just chucking out random "facts".  A higher proportion of motorists kill people on the roads than cyclists.

Edited June 3, 2019 by Cyclone

[stifflersmom]

Hmm, that IAM poll has been discredited by the way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2012/may/14/cycling-red-light-jumping-iam-survey

Edited June 3, 2019 by stifflersmom

[WalkleyIan]

We seem to have strayed way off topic again (two cars drove through a red light in front of a police car today on Bernard Road today..police took no action)

 

More interesting and relevant story is coming out about HSBC

 

https://road.cc/content/news/261595-hsbc-uk-cuts-90-cent-staff-car-parking-encourage-workers-bikes

 

"HSBC UK, which has sponsored British Cycling since 2017, is to cut 90 per cent of staff car parking spaces at two new regional centres in a bid to get employees cycling."

 

 

And an update on the work place parking levy which is being considered in Sheffield. This was used in Nottingham to fund the tram extension

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47089134

[RootsBooster]

On 31/05/2019 at 17:17, Cyclone said:

Is that what you see?  I see the exact opposite, in any discussion about the road generally, particularly in town, someone will bring up the bad behaviour of cyclists.

That's not what I said, what I said was "In contrast, on most threads about motorists nobody (with the likely exception of Penistone999) tends to mention the bad habits of cyclists."

On 31/05/2019 at 17:17, Cyclone said:

I thought that the point was very clear, motorists rarely generalise about motorists, they however cannot resist generalising about cyclists.  Presumably because they aren't one themselves, so they are other and thus they can be tribal about it.  Cyclists on the other hand are generally motorists as well, and so don't do that.

In just about every thread I've seen about motorists, motorists generalise about motorists.

This one even begins with "I think it`s important to stress that these are generalisations" in the very first line of the opening post...

 https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/60797-the-worst-drivers-which-cars-do-they-drive/?tab=comments#comment-1030894

 

Out of curiosity, how many posts in this thread do you interpret as generalising against cyclists?

Edited June 3, 2019 by RootsBooster

[Cyclone]

All the ones that say something along the lines of "cyclists run red lights" with no qualification to even say "most" which would still be incorrect.

 

As my ongoing report though, one cyclists yesterday sort of ran a light, well, came off the pavement, through the light at an angle and back onto the pavement at the other side.  I guess he thought he was a pedestrian.

2 cars ran red lights, both amber gamblers who didn't quite make it.

And and additional car made an illegal turn at Hillsborough corner across the green man and through the pedestrian crossing.  That's the second one of those I've seen in a fortnight, I think the tram works are causing a minority drivers some confusion and they then just ignore the rules and safety of others and do what they like.

23 hours ago, stifflersmom said:

Hmm, that IAM poll has been discredited by the way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2012/may/14/cycling-red-light-jumping-iam-survey

Oh, that's good isn't it.

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I asked the IAM for more details, and what eventually came was interesting. To start with, this isn't a proper "poll", at least not in the Mori-type sense of some attempt at even-handedness. This was something a self-selected bunch of visitors to the IAM website filled in using a web tool called Survey Monkey. They probably all weren't drivers determined to ruin the name of cyclists, but the point is there were no safeguards against this.

More disturbing still, while the press release talked as if 57% of cyclists jump lights regularly, the breakdown of the figures showed, in fact, only 1.9% confessed to this. Another 11.8% did so "sometimes" while 24.6% did "rarely", and 19.1% had done so once or twice.

Right. So not only is an unscientific, self-selected survey being presented as a poll, the headline figure is utterly misleading. And yet that's what will doubtless be reported tomorrow.

 

 

[Cyclone]

Today I saw a younger rider go through a red light and then use the pavement, and also an older rider use the pavement to avoid passing through a tram stop where it narrows.  I can understand the latter, although I don't do it myself, since drivers persist in trying to pass where it's too narrow to do so safely.

I also had 2 drivers start to pull out on me, despite wearing high vis blue coat in the rain and having lights on.  And one car pass me far too close at a pinch point here.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3971775,-1.4901167,3a,75y,345.95h,80.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5-SGwO0yPgN9mIo_ka5_YA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

On 23/05/2019 at 19:24, WiseOwl182 said:

I'd say most cyclists don't obey red light laws, so would be even less likely to obey pavement speed limits without a speedo.

And Roots, this was the post that started the "usual" back and forth.  Someone who can't help but generalise about cyclists.

[WiseOwl182]

3 hours ago, Cyclone said:

 

And Roots, this was the post that started the "usual" back and forth.  Someone who can't help but generalise about cyclists.

You were proposing an additional speed law for a group of road users who don't obey the existing ones, so I called it out for what it was - an unsuitable solution.

[Cyclone]

Oh I see.

So what you're saying is that since a few car drivers run red lights (and an awful lot more speed), that there's no point in having laws to govern their speeds...  Or does this bizarre argument only apply to cycles?

Also if you were claiming that laws regarding speeds apply to cycles now but are ignored (I'm not sure, you were unclear), then you'd be wrong.

[Black Brick]

I would like to propose a speeding law that says you can only go past a pedestrian on an adjacent pavement or a cyclist on the road at a maximum of 30 mph even if you are on a 40 or 50 mph limit road.