lil-minx92 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, Robin-H said: That is not true. The welfare of captured rodents is covered by the Act (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/45/notes/contents) As the Act states, the welfare offence (Section 9) applies to animals for which a person is “responsible” as that word is to be understood under section 3. Trapped rats are covered by this. Don't worry, it doesn't. The welfare part of the act applies to all animals, not just 'protected' animals. That is good news. And suggests that Mossway could be accused of inciting or encouraging cruelty to rats, and consequently be dealt with by using the full force of UK law! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossway Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I think you are construing the term ‘responsible’ far beyond the intentions of the Act - unless you have any case law to justify your statement ‘Trapped rats are covered by this’ . Secondly Incitement only applies to Indictable Offences and the offences under this Act are Summary Only, so I won’t be fearing the knock at the door from plod ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin-H Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Mossway said: I think you are construing the term ‘responsible’ far beyond the intentions of the Act - unless you have any case law to justify your statement ‘Trapped rats are covered by this’ . Secondly Incitement only applies to Indictable Offences and the offences under this Act are Summary Only, so I won’t be fearing the knock at the door from plod ! https://www.ufaw.org.uk/downloads/welfare-downloads/guidance-on-humane-control-of-rodents-feb2509v19.pdf “This is in line also with the Rural Development Service’s (2006) advisory note on rat control which stated that: ‘Drowning is not a humane method of dispatch and could result in prosecution...’. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/187946/1-500-cruelty-fine-for-man-who-drowned-a-squirrel/amp The RSPCA were quite clear. Killing an animal by drowning is a criminal offence. He was fined for this reason. It doesn’t matter if it’s a cat or a rat. Also, unlike brown rats, it’s also an office to release grey squirrels (or at least it was). There is no excuse for drowning rats, as it is not an offence to release then (unless they’re black rats). Edited May 17, 2019 by Robin-H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangepip Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Robin-H said: https://www.ufaw.org.uk/downloads/welfare-downloads/guidance-on-humane-control-of-rodents-feb2509v19.pdf “This is in line also with the Rural Development Service’s (2006) advisory note on rat control which stated that: ‘Drowning is not a humane method of dispatch and could result in prosecution...’. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/187946/1-500-cruelty-fine-for-man-who-drowned-a-squirrel/amp The RSPCA were quite clear. Killing an animal by drowning is a criminal offence. He was fined for this reason. It doesn’t matter if it’s a cat or a rat. Also, unlike brown rats, it’s also an office to release grey squirrels (or at least it was). There is no excuse for drowning rats, as it is not an offence to release then (unless they’re black rats). I don't care what colour it is, I'm not going to kill it regardless of any method anyone suggests, and certainly not drowning. The only problem its causing is digging holes in the garden. Otherwise its not bothering us. Its not ideal having a rat/rats, and I've only seen one, but all bird food, and feeders have been removed so I'll see if it trots off to pastures new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin-H Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Orangepip said: I don't care what colour it is, I'm not going to kill it regardless of any method anyone suggests, and certainly not drowning. The only problem its causing is digging holes in the garden. Otherwise its not bothering us. Its not ideal having a rat/rats, and I've only seen one, but all bird food, and feeders have been removed so I'll see if it trots off to pastures new. The reference to the colour was with regards to whether it is an offence to release them. It is an offence to release black rats as they are not native. It is not an offence to release brown rats. It is an offence to drown rats whatever colour they are. I’m very glad to hear that you wouldn’t kill it regardless, and the idea of killing any animal by drowning is absolutely abhorrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudbeer Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) On 14/05/2019 at 15:42, Dozer said: If you had our cats, they would grab it, bring it inside, and then release it unharmed. Everyone happy. Mine does that sadly minus the unharmed bit! Judging by the amount she brings in they are pretty much everywhere. Edited May 17, 2019 by Fudbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangepip Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Robin-H said: The reference to the colour was with regards to whether it is an offence to release them. It is an offence to release black rats as they are not native. It is not an offence to release brown rats. It is an offence to drown rats whatever colour they are. I’m very glad to hear that you wouldn’t kill it regardless, and the idea of killing any animal by drowning is absolutely abhorrent. Its more light grey than brown or black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin-H Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Orangepip said: Its more light grey than brown or black Brown rats are often grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangepip Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 18/05/2019 at 09:13, Robin-H said: Brown rats are often grey. Its gone. Once the bird food had been removed it went. I filled the holes in, and ratty is no more, he left of his own accord. I didn't, and never considered killing it there are more human ways of moving them on. Thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 That's good Orangepip. Sounds like it was just a matter of removing Mr Rat and his fellow rat's (was it just one rat?) incentive to visit you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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