SnailyBoy Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Yeah but said: It brings things into sharp focus, blows away the "its just a fetus" line. Baby's have been terminated at a stage where they can be born and live. Once again. how does that negate a woman's right to choose? 1 hour ago, Voice of reason said: I'm not forcing anybody to do anything. I'm just stating my opinion. And that is if the baby can live, it is already a human in its own right. The fact that it's still within Early stage abortions are sad, but I can get my head around that morally and from a humane perspective. The thread and comments were really discussing the OP story, which I personally can't agree with morally or humanely. What's your definition of moral in this case? 1 hour ago, LizzieBirdswrth said: Like I said, Very unfunny. It wasn't meant to be funny or unfunny. It's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of reason Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said: Once again. how does that negate a woman's right to choose? What's your definition of moral in this case? It wasn't meant to be funny or unfunny. It's a fact. Killing a human that is capable of living. That is the cut-off of acceptable for me. The 'choice' thing is a sound bite for me. We dont always have choice when it involves other people. In this case it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeah but Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said: It wasn't meant to be funny or unfunny. It's a fact. You were trying to be a smart arse and you know you were so knock it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki-red Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 The bickering ends here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, Voice of reason said: Killing a human that is capable of living. That is the cut-off of acceptable for me. The 'choice' thing is a sound bite for me. We dont always have choice when it involves other people. In this case it does. Choice of bodily autonomy is a sound bite, seriously? An unborn foetus isn't a person, the woman providing for the unborn foetus is the only person in this case. It should be her choice if she wishes to continue with that. Not yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiseOwl182 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said: An unborn foetus isn't a person, the woman providing for the unborn foetus is the only person in this case. In your opinion. Technically an unborn person is a person. Also there is a third person involved, the father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said: In your opinion. Technically an unborn person is a person. Also there is a third person involved, the father. Go on then - explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, SnailyBoy said: The issue there is that you're granting the foetus special rights that aren't available for others. If I , for instance, had kidney failure and will die without a kidney transplant and you happened to be a perfect match. Should you be forced to provide me with a kidney? Your strawman is hinged on the classic mistake of amalgamating law ('special rights', 'forced') and morality (not law): I made no mention of rights, only of the lack of moral character of an extremely late termination (say, at 8 months and crumbs) out of choice rather than (medical) necessity, which is what I understood from the OP. Feel free to try again. Minus the strawman argument, please. Very late terminations on medical grounds (expected or not regardless) need not be mentioned (with/at me at least), they're a very obvious pass here. But lifestyle terminations should be time-capped. It's not a holiday or a wedding they're cancelling late. Edited June 3, 2019 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) Just why exactly should they be time capped? Why exactly does this faux moralistic nonsense overrule a right over what a person can and cant do with their own body? People can argue all they want. People can make their own warped interpretations but the fact is clear. That fetus is nothing more than part of a womans body until it is born, snipped off and surviving on its own. Who are you to make a judgment on someone's character because of their choice on whether to terminate or not. Edited June 3, 2019 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: Just why exactly should they be time capped? Why exactly does this faux moralistic nonsense overrule a right over what a person can and cant do with their own body? People can argue all they want. People can make their own warped interpretations but the fact is clear. That fetus is nothing more than part of a womans body until it is born, snipped off and surviving on its own. Who are you to make a judgment on someone's character because of their choice on whether to terminate or not. Obviously a very emotive subject for some. Try me again after you've taken a chill pill. Or found your manners back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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