RobbyBrown Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I watched the early UFCs and there were many placards from members of the audience for Mike Tyson to take part in the UFC and fight, for example, Ken Shamrock. While both Royce and Ken were way ahead of the competition they were fighting against, infact completely outclassing the opposition, they both have come instuck in more recent UFCs, Royce against Matt Hugues, Shamrock against Tito Ortiz for example. If Mike Tyson had taken part, would he have been so easy to submit as some of the people taking part in the early UFCs ? it would have been fantastic for the UFC if that had happened He may have also made a mockery of the sport and inflicted devastatingly quick knockouts, and if that would have happened, would the UFC still be around today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llll_fb_llll Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Predictably, I think standing up Tyson would have been very dangerous but may hav been succeptible to Knees Kick and elbows. If someone managed to get him on the ground, they would have a clear advantage. But Tyson was so quick and strong that it would have been interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefkicker Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Predictably, I think standing up Tyson would have been very dangerous but may hav been succeptible to Knees Kick and elbows. If someone managed to get him on the ground, they would have a clear advantage. But Tyson was so quick and strong that it would have been interesting. It is one of those that is hard to call. Are we talking the dangerous 21 year old Mike Tyson (pre prison days) or the old washed up Tyson ? On a more serious note. I hear a lot of people say "A boxer would KTFO a kickboxer/MMA fighter,...etc" but how many boxers can actually finish a fight on first blow? Precious few to be honest. As far as leg kicks go, Tyson would be able to take the first leg kick and then rush them with punches. After that if he hasnt KO'd the guy it would go to the ground. If its one of the grappling specialists, then the fight would be over real quick. With the Knees, a good knee from a kickboxer like Semmy Schilt or even Alexei Ignashov could stop Tyson in his tracks (especially since Semmy is 6'11" and Ignashov is 6'5" to Tysons 5'11" !!!). With the elbows, they may make Tyson get cut round the face but by then they would have been hit with furious uppercuts anyway so you cant rely on cuts to beat Tyson. The way to beat the likes of Tyson, KNEES or Grappling !!! Elbows= sorry but no cigar I apologise for the Muay thai afficianados out there who think that elbows would make the difference with Tyson (in an MMA contest that is, Im aware that Muay Thai is a different game guys&girls) Leg kicks= In a K-1 contest then yes they would have a crippling and debilitating effect. In MMA , again all it does is open things up for taking it to the ground. Body Kicks= I think Tyson would be strong enough to take a body kick to be honest. Head kick= A good one off head kick from someone like Crocop (Mirko Filipovic) would be able to put Tyson down (like it did to Igor Vovchanchyn). Even so its still a lottery. The last cagewarriors had a bout with a "world class striker" Vs a "novice" fighter who was well schooled (By Mike Bisping) in striking and grappling (but was still a novice). Who won? The novice submitted the experienced striker in 57 seconds. I know because I was judging it while Amjed Shaffique (AFK fighter) was time keeping. The skilled striker had fought : Full contact (kicks above waist), Kickboxing (leg kicks), Muay Thai and K-1 rules (oh and unlicensed boxing but we dont know that do we? shhh theyll hear! ) winning a large percentage of them by KO or TKO. There you go, lets hear more opinions please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayfish Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Can't add much to that! I think the poll isn't going to get many answers though, as I doubt it'd be an easy win for anyone unless one of them got lucky. If anyone stood and boxed it out with Tyson they'd be in trouble, but I would have thought that a decent grappler e.g. the Gracies would have the sense not to do that... Unless he got a couple of well-placed punches in right at the start I'd be betting on the grappler. Not a certain thing by any means as Tyson on form was a ferocious and very strong fighter, but playing to his vulnerabilities should have cracked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefkicker Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Who in their right mind is going to stand and trade with Tyson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyBarnes Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hey Chef kicker you say "but how many boxers can finish a fight on the first blow?" - Frankly I think all off them. The fact that MMA glovers are merely mittens in comparison to a padded glove is the reason that there are so many one punch knockouts. The mittens and gloves also play a role in the boxers defence also - the bigger handware also allows for more to hide a fighters chin behind. Not only that, I reckon that a trained professional boxer has the ability to withstand a lot more in terms of impacts to the head in comparison to a MMA fighter. But would Mike Tyson win - who knows, i couldn't tell you. But I have seen a boxer, against a K1 fighter. The boxer couldn't take the blows to the legs, and eventually it was his downfall. - TKO - because he couldn't walk anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefkicker Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hey Chef kicker you say "but how many boxers can finish a fight on the first blow?" - Frankly I think all off them. The fact that MMA glovers are merely mittens in comparison to a padded glove is the reason that there are so many one punch knockouts. The mittens and gloves also play a role in the boxers defence also - the bigger handware also allows for more to hide a fighters chin behind. Not only that, I reckon that a trained professional boxer has the ability to withstand a lot more in terms of impacts to the head in comparison to a MMA fighter. But would Mike Tyson win - who knows, i couldn't tell you. But I have seen a boxer, against a K1 fighter. The boxer couldn't take the blows to the legs, and eventually it was his downfall. - TKO - because he couldn't walk anymore. Wrong worded mickey. I meant how many boxers DO finish on the first blow out of how many. Also with the small mitts, will their hands be able to stand up to the impact. Many boxers damage their hands even when wearing loads of bandage and tape as well as their Reyes Mexico gloves. Yes Boxers have better chins than most MMA guys because they are conditioned to taking a lot more. It could however be a big culture shock for many of them when landing punches on the ground in close when they cant give their punches the whole body movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyBarnes Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Wrong worded mickey. I meant how many boxers DO finish on the first blow out of how many. Also with the small mitts, will their hands be able to stand up to the impact. Many boxers damage their hands even when wearing loads of bandage and tape as well as their Reyes Mexico gloves. Yes Boxers have better chins than most MMA guys because they are conditioned to taking a lot more. It could however be a big culture shock for many of them when landing punches on the ground in close when they cant give their punches the whole body movement. Yea i agree with the idea of the culture shock, I've boxed for quite a while now and remember I once got in with a kickboxer friend, he showed me how vunerable i was downstairs - and this was out ever grappling myself to the floor. The smaller gloves in MMA are proberbly the reason there are fewer punches, or reliance on striking with hands. I would say that the most common injury or complaint down the gym i visit is definately swollen hands or bust knuckles - rather than black eyes etc. Tyson is tough guy though, and one of the most ultimate sportsmen/athelete of the 20th century. With his honed reflexes, fantastic fitness and supreme balance - surely after a year of intense coaching - he could practically become proficient in most combat sports. Sorry for reading your point wrong matey. Good thread though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefkicker Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Yea i agree with the idea of the culture shock, I've boxed for quite a while now and remember I once got in with a kickboxer friend, he showed me how vunerable i was downstairs - and this was out ever grappling myself to the floor. The smaller gloves in MMA are proberbly the reason there are fewer punches, or reliance on striking with hands. I would say that the most common injury or complaint down the gym i visit is definately swollen hands or bust knuckles - rather than black eyes etc. Tyson is tough guy though, and one of the most ultimate sportsmen/athelete of the 20th century. With his honed reflexes, fantastic fitness and supreme balance - surely after a year of intense coaching - he could practically become proficient in most combat sports. Sorry for reading your point wrong matey. Good thread though. The Tyson of old was incredible. Even dangerous now although it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Also would Tyson empty his cup to taste the grapplers tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinny_Lynne Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 "I know because I was judging it while Amjed Shaffique (AFK fighter) was time keeping." Are you serious that you judged an mma fight at Cagewarriours? Was this a Quest event? Don't worry if you choose to do your usual dick-tuck and not answer..... I will check with Mr. Truman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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