Who next - new President of the European Commission?

[Car Boot]

The EU is riddled with capitalists.

 

We need Seumas Milne to remove these pro-big business parasites.

[L00b]

9 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

I mean in general, not just British.

Macron (who is on 30% approval rating in his own country) is proposing Merkel. A more indirect democratic link is hard to imagine.

So the French proposal is Angela, instead of a French politicien?

 

Fancy Macron pushing a candidate with genuine capabilities, rather than a cronyist/nationalistic selection of a meriting high level civil servant. I bet the énarques and polytechniciens (French equivalent to your OxBridge mandarin types) are seething with incandescent rage...a good thing 

 

Germany's actual proposal is Schauble IIRC?

 

Who is the UK's?

 

Angela would still need electing with a majority of the 761MEPs all the same. A tall order, actually. There's no love lost for Ze Germans in most of the Club Meds and Eastern european + balkanic countries.

Edited June 24, 2019 by L00b

[hauxwell]

What about Jacob’s sister as the new President, Annunziata Rees Mogg.

 

 

 

[janie48]

4 hours ago, horribleblob said:

Angela Merkel would be my choice.

  I have a lot of respect for Angela Merkel. 

[Voice of reason]

4 minutes ago, L00b said:

So the French proposal is Angela, instead of a French politician. Fancy Macron pushing a candidate with genuine capabilities, rather than a cronyist/nationalistic selection of a meriting high level civil servant. I bet the énarques and polytechniciens (French equivalent to your OxBridge mandarin types) are seething with incandescent rage 

 

Germany's actual proposal is Schauble IIRC?

 

Who is the UK's?

Germany's proposal is manfred weber. I don't know who our proposed, or supported candidate is. As I said, it is so far removed from our control, it is barely worth following, beyond knowing the huge impact that person will have on EU life.

[L00b]

49 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Germany's proposal is manfred weber. I don't know who our proposed, or supported candidate is. As I said, it is so far removed from our control, it is barely worth following, beyond knowing the huge impact that person will have on EU life.

The EU Commission President, in and of him/herself, does not have that big an impact at all: the Council and the Parliament have a much bigger impact.

 

Sure, it's not a honorific title (like e.g. Ireland's President), but it's less executive in nature than you seem to believe: most of the 'power' associated with the role is PR (figurehead role, particularly relevant for diplomatic (outra-EU) purposes) and soft (selection of Commissioners). The President doesn't propose EU law, for starters: Commissioners do (and he/she must give 1 Commissioner post to each member state).

 

The job is *all* about consensus politics, something which British politicians are sorely lacking experience in. I'm not surprised Juncker did well in his tenure: Luxembourgish politics have been *all* about consensus politics for decades, both domestically and internationally.

Edited June 24, 2019 by L00b

[Voice of reason]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

The EU Commission President, in and of him/herself, does not have that big an impact at all: the Council and the Parliament have a much bigger impact.

 

Sure, it's not a honorific title (like e.g. Ireland's President), but it's less executive in nature than you seem to believe: most of the 'power' associated with the role is PR (figurehead role, particularly relevant for diplomatic (outra-EU) purposes) and soft (selection of Commissioners). The President doesn't propose EU law, for starters: Commissioners do (and he/she must give 1 Commissioner post to each member state).

 

The job is *all* about consensus politics, something which British politicians are sorely lacking experience in. I'm not surprised Juncker did well in his tenure: Luxembourgish politics have been *all* about consensus politics for decades, both domestically and internationally.

Yeah, he or she justs selects the comissioners who propose all eu legislation, covering 500 million people.

 

[ANGELFIRE1]

What are the qualifications required to be President of the European Commission. I suppose they must be mighty impressive.

 

Angel1.

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[L00b]

24 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Yeah, he or she justs selects the comissioners who propose all eu legislation, covering 500 million people.

EU legislation within specific areas of consensually-pooled sovereignty, is the bit you're missing, and wherein such areas exclude taxation, non-EU immigration, defense, etc. (quite a lot, actually).

 

The UK signed on that particular dot way-back-when in full knowledge of the fact, and has also managed to nab itself the longest list of exceptions to the principle of any member state old and newer, to the extent of enjoying the sweetest EU membership deal by a country mile.

 

But manifestly, these days it's not good enough for very many Brits anymore, so well...good luck to them, they can discover and enjoy life without the perks, with luck they might find it formative 

Edited June 24, 2019 by L00b

[Car Boot]

56 minutes ago, L00b said:

But manifestly, these days it's not good enough for very many Brits anymore, so well...good luck to them, they can discover and enjoy life without the perks, with luck they might find it formative 

Very many Brits never enjoyed the so-called 'perks' of EU membership despite living under its rule for the last 46 years.

 

I guess they won't miss something they never had.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Car Boot