RollingJ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: What social media has done is given a voice to those who used not to voice opinions because they thought that they were too ‘stupid’ or uneducated to voice an opinion. IMO - nothings changed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of reason Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: What social media has done is given a voice to those who used not to voice opinions because they thought that they were too ‘stupid’ or uneducated to voice an opinion. The effectiveness of fake news is that it seeks out it’s victims, whereas real knowledge has to be sought, and takes effort and a bit of work to assimilate. Fake news is easy because it is handed to the victim in a nice, simple to understand package and is usually labelled with a dog whistle slogan which resonates with the victim’s own view of the world. So now someone who in the past would have seen themselves as too stupid to voice an opinion will now happily chime in to a discussion confident in their argument, not only because they’ve seen it on facebook but all their mates on facebook have seen it too. What is the best way to keep these people quiet and out of harms way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Voice of reason said: What is the best way to keep these people quiet and out of harms way? Education! If people were better educated, fake news would disappear once people’s reactions were to laugh at it rather than believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said: Education! If people were better educated, fake news would disappear once people’s reactions were to laugh at it rather than believe it. In that case, you'll have to reverse the decline in education standards, and when you have some of the teachers I have dealt with, that is going to be a major task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of reason Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said: Education! If people were better educated, fake news would disappear once people’s reactions were to laugh at it rather than believe it. 50% are higher education qualified. People have always believed gossip to some extent ot another. 9 minutes ago, RollingJ said: In that case, you'll have to reverse the decline in education standards, and when you have some of the teachers I have dealt with, that is going to be a major task. My kids went to the same school as me, big run-of-the-mill Sheffield secondary, and the level they learn at knocks socks the off what we used to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Voice of reason said: 50% are higher education qualified. People have always believed gossip to some extent ot another. My kids went to the same school as me, big run-of-the-mill Sheffield secondary, and the level they learn at knocks socks the off what we used to do. Higher education qualified in what subjects, though? My nephews and nieces all went to different schools - we are quite a big family spread round the country - and the differences in educational standards is quite alarming. WHAT they learn today is different, I grant you, but the level -? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of reason Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, RollingJ said: Higher education qualified in what subjects, though? My nephews and nieces all went to different schools - we are quite a big family spread round the country - and the differences in educational standards is quite alarming. WHAT they learn today is different, I grant you, but the level -? Sure, lots do degrees in sports behaviour science or whatever. But, it still needs some academic input. The level they study at GCSE is good too. I have an engineering degree, and I'd say good GCSE grades require a very good level of learning. They study complex ideas in English and other subjects go quite deep too. My kids can speak about lots of topics in good detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, RollingJ said: In that case, you'll have to reverse the decline in education standards, and when you have some of the teachers I have dealt with, that is going to be a major task. Education isn’t just a question of teachers and book learning it is also about how society sees itself and where it is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I find not watching the television helps. Seriously, try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Education isn’t just a question of teachers and book learning it is also about how society sees itself and where it is going. With respect, I kind of understand what you are saying, but if those doing the leading can't even add 2+2=4 , how are they going to impart such concepts to their students? This BBC report was interesting, especially for the weak and mealy-mouthed response: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-48717840 Edited June 24, 2019 by RollingJ Added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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