Farage in Bother with the EU (again!)

[retep]

Bubble buster?,

 

"Mr Farage has hit back at the committee, and accused its MEPs of also breaking Parliament rules after the letter was leaked to the media.

A spokesman for the Brexit Party leader also suggested their boss was being targeted for political reasons.

The spokesman said: “It is our view that if you make mention of this you will be in contempt of the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament which confirm that the proceedings of the Advisory Committee are confidential.

“We find it amazing that you should be in possession of this letter before Mr Farage’s office in Brussels has received any such information. This demonstrates that Channel 4 are co-operating with an individual who clearly dislikes Nigel Farage but nevertheless sits on a Committee which purports to make judgements about him and who by leaking this letter seeks to bounce the President into making a decision before he has seen any evidence. “This is unacceptable and a breach of protocols surrounding the operation of this Committee.”

[Top Cats Hat]

6 minutes ago, retep said:

Bubble buster?,

 

"Mr Farage has hit back at the committee, and accused its MEPs of also breaking Parliament rules after the letter was leaked to the media........

 

..............“This is unacceptable and a breach of protocols surrounding the operation of this Committee.”

Paranoid nonsense! 😂

[L00b]

1 hour ago, retep said:

Bubble buster?,

 

"Mr Farage has hit back at the committee, and accused its MEPs of also breaking Parliament rules after the letter was leaked to the media.

A spokesman for the Brexit Party leader also suggested their boss was being targeted for political reasons.

The spokesman said: “It is our view that if you make mention of this you will be in contempt of the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament which confirm that the proceedings of the Advisory Committee are confidential.

“We find it amazing that you should be in possession of this letter before Mr Farage’s office in Brussels has received any such information. This demonstrates that Channel 4 are co-operating with an individual who clearly dislikes Nigel Farage but nevertheless sits on a Committee which purports to make judgements about him and who by leaking this letter seeks to bounce the President into making a decision before he has seen any evidence. “This is unacceptable and a breach of protocols surrounding the operation of this Committee.”

No, jargon buster: “Confidentiality of proceedings” does not mean “confidentiality of evidence”, just confidentiality of the Advisory Committee procedure and hearing(s).

 

Delighted at Führage being made to face up to his hypocrisy.

[Top Cats Hat]

Do none of our resident forum €uroskeptiks feel even the slightest twinge of irony in the situation Farage finds himself in?

[Magilla]

44 minutes ago, L00b said:

No, jargon buster: “Confidentiality of proceedings” does not mean “confidentiality of evidence”, just confidentiality of the Advisory Committee procedure and hearing(s).

 

Delighted at Führage being made to face up to his hypocrisy.

Quiet so, and lets have it right, Banks & Farage couldn't give a crap when they're leaking private and confidential material:

 

 

Edited June 27, 2019 by Magilla

[retep]

44 minutes ago, L00b said:

No, jargon buster: “Confidentiality of proceedings” does not mean “confidentiality of evidence”, just confidentiality of the Advisory Committee procedure and hearing(s).

 

Delighted at Führage being made to face up to his hypocrisy.

Rule 210a : Procedure for the consultation by a committee of confidential information in a committee meeting in camera

1.   When Parliament is under a legal obligation to treat information received as confidential information, the Chair of the committee responsible shall automatically apply the confidential procedure laid down in paragraph 3.

2.   Without prejudice to paragraph 1, in the absence of any legal obligation to treat the information received as confidential information, any committee may apply the confidential procedure laid down in paragraph 3 on its own motion to an item of information or a document indicated by one of its members in a written or oral request. A majority of two-thirds of the members present shall be required for the adoption of a decision to apply the confidential procedure in such a case.

3.   Once the Chair of the committee has declared that the confidential procedure is to be applied, the meeting shall be in camera and may be attended only by members of the committee, including substitute members. The committee may decide, in compliance with the applicable inter-institutional legal framework, that other Members may attend the meeting pursuant to Rule 206(3). The meeting may also be attended by those persons who have been designated in advance by the Chair, as having a need-to-know, in due respect of any restrictions stemming from the applicable rules governing the treatment of confidential information by Parliament. As regards the consultation of classified information at the level of CONFIDENTIEL UE/EU CONFIDENTIAL and above, or in case of specific limitations of access stemming from the interinstitutional legal framework, additional restrictions may apply.

The documents shall be distributed at the beginning of the meeting and collected again at the end. They shall be numbered. No notes and no photocopies may be taken.

The minutes of the meeting shall make no mention of the discussion of the item dealt with under the confidential procedure. Only the relevant decision, if any, may be recorded.

4.   Without prejudice to the applicable rules on breach of confidentiality in general, Members or a political group or groups reaching at least the medium threshold in the committee which has applied the confidential procedure may request consideration of a breach of confidentiality. This request may be placed on the agenda of the next committee meeting. By a majority of its members, the committee may decide to submit the matter to the President for further consideration under Rules 11 and 166.

This Rule applies to the extent that the applicable legal framework relating to the treatment of confidential information provides for the possibility of consulting the confidential information at a meeting in camera outside the secure facilities.

[Magilla]

18 minutes ago, retep said:

Rule 210a : Procedure for the consultation by a committee of confidential information in a committee meeting in camera

1.   When Parliament is under a legal obligation to treat information received as confidential information, the Chair of the committee responsible shall automatically apply the confidential procedure laid down in paragraph 3.

2.   Without prejudice to paragraph 1, in the absence of any legal obligation to treat the information received as confidential information, any committee may apply the confidential procedure laid down in paragraph 3 on its own motion to an item of information or a document indicated by one of its members in a written or oral request. A majority of two-thirds of the members present shall be required for the adoption of a decision to apply the confidential procedure in such a case.

3.   Once the Chair of the committee has declared that the confidential procedure is to be applied, the meeting shall be in camera and may be attended only by members of the committee, including substitute members. The committee may decide, in compliance with the applicable inter-institutional legal framework, that other Members may attend the meeting pursuant to Rule 206(3). The meeting may also be attended by those persons who have been designated in advance by the Chair, as having a need-to-know, in due respect of any restrictions stemming from the applicable rules governing the treatment of confidential information by Parliament. As regards the consultation of classified information at the level of CONFIDENTIEL UE/EU CONFIDENTIAL and above, or in case of specific limitations of access stemming from the interinstitutional legal framework, additional restrictions may apply.

The documents shall be distributed at the beginning of the meeting and collected again at the end. They shall be numbered. No notes and no photocopies may be taken.

The minutes of the meeting shall make no mention of the discussion of the item dealt with under the confidential procedure. Only the relevant decision, if any, may be recorded.

4.   Without prejudice to the applicable rules on breach of confidentiality in general, Members or a political group or groups reaching at least the medium threshold in the committee which has applied the confidential procedure may request consideration of a breach of confidentiality. This request may be placed on the agenda of the next committee meeting. By a majority of its members, the committee may decide to submit the matter to the President for further consideration under Rules 11 and 166.

This Rule applies to the extent that the applicable legal framework relating to the treatment of confidential information provides for the possibility of consulting the confidential information at a meeting in camera outside the secure facilities.

No evidence has been leaked, it's all already in the public domain and common knowledge.

 

The "relevant decision", that Farage should face the highest penalty for a serious breach of its code of conduct, is not confidential and is recorded (as per your rules above)

 

Desperate stuff, as usual.. that you've clearly fallen for it.. again... not so much

 

Edited June 27, 2019 by Magilla

[L00b]

5 hours ago, retep said:

Rule 210a : Procedure for the consultation by a committee of confidential information in a committee meeting in camera

1.   When Parliament is under a legal obligation to treat information received as confidential information, the Chair of the committee responsible shall automatically apply the confidential procedure laid down in paragraph 3.

2.   Without prejudice to paragraph 1, in the absence of any legal obligation to treat the information received as confidential information, any committee may apply the confidential procedure laid down in paragraph 3 on its own motion to an item of information or a document indicated by one of its members in a written or oral request. A majority of two-thirds of the members present shall be required for the adoption of a decision to apply the confidential procedure in such a case.

3.   Once the Chair of the committee has declared that the confidential procedure is to be applied, the meeting shall be in camera and may be attended only by members of the committee, including substitute members. The committee may decide, in compliance with the applicable inter-institutional legal framework, that other Members may attend the meeting pursuant to Rule 206(3). The meeting may also be attended by those persons who have been designated in advance by the Chair, as having a need-to-know, in due respect of any restrictions stemming from the applicable rules governing the treatment of confidential information by Parliament. As regards the consultation of classified information at the level of CONFIDENTIEL UE/EU CONFIDENTIAL and above, or in case of specific limitations of access stemming from the interinstitutional legal framework, additional restrictions may apply.

The documents shall be distributed at the beginning of the meeting and collected again at the end. They shall be numbered. No notes and no photocopies may be taken.

The minutes of the meeting shall make no mention of the discussion of the item dealt with under the confidential procedure. Only the relevant decision, if any, may be recorded.

4.   Without prejudice to the applicable rules on breach of confidentiality in general, Members or a political group or groups reaching at least the medium threshold in the committee which has applied the confidential procedure may request consideration of a breach of confidentiality. This request may be placed on the agenda of the next committee meeting. By a majority of its members, the committee may decide to submit the matter to the President for further consideration under Rules 11 and 166.

This Rule applies to the extent that the applicable legal framework relating to the treatment of confidential information provides for the possibility of consulting the confidential information at a meeting in camera outside the secure facilities.

So, you can quote rules. Good.

 

Wasn't from a Facebook post or link, was it?

 

Because the crucial bit which your argument is missing, is the written or oral request of a Committee member to hold the document confidential according to Rule 2.

 

Any sign of that request in the present case?

Edited June 27, 2019 by L00b

[ANGELFIRE1]

7 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

He has already admitted it and claims that as he was planning to leave politics and move to america he didn’t need to declare it (which he did)

 

Have you not been keeping up with recent events?

 

The EU is stronger than ever and even Farage’s crackpot far-right populist friends in France, Italy,  Austria and Hungary don’t want to leave.

 

Britain is the only EU country which is in serious trouble!

 

Really, you think so.

 

 

Edited June 27, 2019 by ANGELFIRE1

[L00b]

It's worth putting the 8 countries short-listed in your graph, in their proper 28-countries context:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269684/national-debt-in-eu-countries-in-relation-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp/

 

You're not looking so good yourselves