WiseOwl182 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Padders said: Simple, 70mph is fast, speed limit has nothing to do with. at 70 mph you are speeding. If the speed limit was 100mph Cyclone would say 70 is to slow. At 70mph with a 70mph limit, you are NOT speeding. You're deluded. 50 on a clear motorway in good conditions is almost dangerously slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Just now, Padders said: Simple, 70mph is fast, speed limit has nothing to do with. at 70 mph you are speeding. If the speed limit was 100mph Cyclone would say 70 is to slow. So by your definition moving in any direction whatsoever is speeding. You're travelling at a measurable rate. Let me clarify it for you. In a 70mph limit zone, travelling at 70mph is NOT speeding, you have not exceeded the determined limit. Furthermore that limit has been determined as within safe limits in good conditions. Current motorway limits were set on DECEMBER 22, 1965. At the time the vast majority of vehicles were still using drum brakes and by today's standard had unsafe chassis design. Many did not have even the luxury of a seat-belt. Today's vehicles are much safer. I can stop a 2015 12ton vehicle in less time/distance that it would take to stop an Austin/Morris 1100 (best selling car of 1965 weighing in at 0.83ton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiseOwl182 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, Padders said: Do you mean careful driver., No, I mean incompetent. Anybody too nervous to drive near the speed limit bin clear conditions should not be on the road at all, as they're clearly not confident enough in their own driving ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Cyclone said: Well, that's it then, speed limits everywhere to be dropped to 50. And then 30. And then 10. That's basically your argument. You'll be able to demonstrate a safety problem with that particular bit of road I assume then, you and makapaka both. Otherwise you're talking nonsense. Nope - never said anything about dropping speed limits to 30 and then 10. Strawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padders Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said: No, I mean incompetent. Anybody too nervous to drive near the speed limit bin clear conditions should not be on the road at all, as they're clearly not confident enough in their own driving ability. Since when has it been obligatory to drive near the speed limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Padders said: Since when has it been obligatory to drive near the speed limit. Read this: 23 hours ago, ECCOnoob said: Section 20: On test you needed to show that you can drive at a realistic speed appropriate to the road and traffic conditions. You needed to approach all hazards at a safe, controlled speed, without being over cautious or slowing or stopping other road users. You should always be ready to move away from junctions as soon as it is safe and correct to do so. Driving too slowly can frustrate other drivers which creates danger for yourself and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padders Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Resident said: Read this: Completely agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Padders said: What I"m trying to say is ,driving at 50 in the appropriate lane on the motorway is NOT careless driving. It is careless driving. Most HGV’s on UK motorways are speed limited to 56mph. If you are doing 50 in lane 1, every HGV and coach which comes up behind you has to pull out into lane 2 to overtake you. That then means that anyone driving at the speed limit in lane 2 then has to pull out into lane to overtake the lorries and buses now in lane 2. If the motorway is particularly busy, you will affect the average motorway speed for up to 5-10 miles behind you. So if you drive for an hour on a reasonably busy motorway, you will force between 600-1000 vehicles of all sizes to make unplanned overtaking moves each having their own level of risk, simply because you don’t know how to use a motorway. Like many others on this thread, I suggest that you either improve your driving standards or call it a day and hand in your licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinBak Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Padders said: Since when has it been obligatory to drive near the speed limit. Since the time you passed your driving test..! When I was learning to drive back in the early 80's...With BSM...My driving instructor told me, when I go for my Test, if the examiner takes you on a dual carriageway with a speed limit of 40MPH...Then DO 40 MPH...! 5 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: It is careless driving. Most HGV’s on UK motorways are speed limited to 56mph. If you are doing 50 in lane 1, every HGV and coach which comes up behind you has to pull out into lane 2 to overtake you. That then means that anyone driving at the speed limit in lane 2 then has to pull out into lane to overtake the lorries and buses now in lane 2. If the motorway is particularly busy, you will affect the average motorway speed for up to 5-10 miles behind you. So if you drive for an hour on a reasonably busy motorway, you will force between 600-1000 vehicles of all sizes to make unplanned overtaking moves each having their own level of risk, simply because you don’t know how to use a motorway. Like many others on this thread, I suggest that you either improve your driving standards or call it a day and hand in your licence. Bang on...Great reply. Edited July 16, 2019 by FinBak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, FinBak said: Since the time you passed your driving test..! When I was learning to drive back in the early 80's...With BSM...My driving instructor told me, when I go for my Test, if the examiner takes you on a dual carriageway with a speed limit of 40MPH...Then DO 40 MPH...! They are now taught to drive slower, and think of the poor, poor children. *sniff sniff*, and climate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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