Shechita & Halal. Identifiable On All Meat & Meat Products Yes/No.

[Branyy]

On 08/08/2019 at 19:45, melthebell said:

no, what i said is completely true, what you posted is also true, but not generally affecting what i said.

 

you really will argue the toss and use anything as a tool, i NEVER said if you stop ALL meat, obviously the less meat eaten the more grain is then available to feed more people which isnt negated by what you just posted.

Don't strawman me, Mel. I've never claimed that meat production needs less resources. My point is that at the moment, we can't abandon meat consumption completely. Therefore, to feed the population (globally) we need to kill animals. And if we need to kill animals, the least cruel methods of killing are desirable.

 

12 hours ago, gaz 786 said:

Meat is meat it tastes the same no matter how it died it may taste different due to the way it is reared but as for the way its slaughtered makes no difference at all to the taste..... 

Not true:

http://www.fao.org/3/x6909e/x6909e04.htm

 

9 hours ago, Halibut said:

Can you describe the circumstances where you feel animal cruelty is necessary?

Sure, see my reply above - if we establish that killing an animal is an act of cruelty, we need to act cruel to suppress population hunger.

Edited August 14, 2019 by Branyy

[Guest makapaka]

10 hours ago, Halibut said:

Can you describe the circumstances where you feel animal cruelty is necessary?

When you kill it eat to eat it.

[hauxwell]

A few years ago Michael Gove said all slaughterhouses had to be fitted with CCTV so vets can monitor the conditions and welfare of the animals.  Which I fully agree with.  I wonder if that piece of legislation was made law?

 

All animals should be stunned before being killed. 

 

 

[Top Cats Hat]

2 hours ago, Robin-H said:

Why would that be? 

Generally meat selected for a specific purpose, such as ritual slaughter, is of a higher quality than the average, not least because meats of dubious origin are taken out of the equation.

 

I would rather eat a burger made from Halal mince than one sold on the street outside Bramall Lane or the DSA Arena.

[ANGELFIRE1]

10 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Generally meat selected for a specific purpose, such as ritual slaughter, is of a higher quality than the average, not least because meats of dubious origin are taken out of the equation.

 

I would rather eat a burger made from Halal mince than one sold on the street outside Bramall Lane or the DSA Arena.

Sometimes it is better to remain silent and let folk think you are daft, rather than post and prove it.

 

Angel1

[hauxwell]

[retep]

36 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Generally meat selected for a specific purpose, such as ritual slaughter, is of a higher quality than the average, not least because meats of dubious origin are taken out of the equation.

 

I would rather eat a burger made from Halal mince than one sold on the street outside Bramall Lane or the DSA Arena.

Are you sure,

 

BACKYARD BUTCHERS 

Family filmed hacking up animal carcasses in their garden sparks hygiene probe by council

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7096028/animal-carcasses-hygiene-probe-dagenham/

[Top Cats Hat]

59 minutes ago, retep said:

Are you sure,

 

BACKYARD BUTCHERS 

Family filmed hacking up animal carcasses in their garden sparks hygiene probe by council

Absolutely sure, given that I am very unlikely to eat anything butchered and cut up in someone’s backyard. 

 

On the other hand there have been many cases where street sold burgers have been found to be made with meat sourced from unregistered abattoirs run by criminal gangs some of whom include already dead animals most of which died of disease. I was talking to someone who ran a burger van about why so many uncooked burgers are just dumped after a public event and she said that they were usually defrosted and couldn’t be refrozen but the main reason was that they were so cheap that they weren’t worth the cost of the diesel to take them home! 😱

 

 

[Robin-H]

3 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Generally meat selected for a specific purpose, such as ritual slaughter, is of a higher quality than the average, not least because meats of dubious origin are taken out of the equation.

 

I would rather eat a burger made from Halal mince than one sold on the street outside Bramall Lane or the DSA Arena.

I would like to see some evidence for that.

 

I wasn't aware that the animals selected for ritual slaughter came from specific farms of a superior quality than animals for standard slaughter. 

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Absolutely sure, given that I am very unlikely to eat anything butchered and cut up in someone’s backyard. 

 

On the other hand there have been many cases where street sold burgers have been found to be made with meat sourced from unregistered abattoirs run by criminal gangs some of whom include already dead animals most of which died of disease. I was talking to someone who ran a burger van about why so many uncooked burgers are just dumped after a public event and she said that they were usually defrosted and couldn’t be refrozen but the main reason was that they were so cheap that they weren’t worth the cost of the diesel to take them home! 😱

 

 

And meat labelled 'halal' or 'shechita' is guaranteed to be from a reputable and high quality abattoir whereas your standard meat isn't? Where is the evidence for this! 

 

I seem to remember reading halal chicken nuggets served in schools were tested and it was confirmed that they contained pig dna...

[Top Cats Hat]

9 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

I seem to remember reading halal chicken nuggets served in schools were tested and it was confirmed that they contained pig dna...

Chicken nuggets aren’t meat, they are meat-based products containing less than 50% chicken plus a load of filler and that is your branded chicken nuggets such as Mc D’s and KFC. Generic catering chicken nuggets for schools and takeaways, are more likely to contain 30% chicken or less.