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[Longcol]

16 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

 

This did not come without warning. This session of Parliament has been the longest since the civil war - it started back in 2017.

 

But it's not like they haven't had a break or anything.

 

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2018/july/house-of-commons-rises-for-summer-recess-2018/

 

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2019/july/house-of-commons-rises-for-summer-recess-2019/

[Pettytom]

1 hour ago, Robin-H said:

I have been following it yes. 

 

How has proroguing parliament meant that MPs can no longer represent their wishes in parliament? Yes, parliament has been effectively shut down for a while, but then that has happened pretty much every year for hundreds and hundreds of years. Were you this angry during the summer recess, as MPs couldn't represent your wishes in parliament then either..

 

More importantly, there is still time both before and after the suspension of parliament for MPs to discuss and debate as they wish. 

There isn’t. That’s the point.

 

It will take 5 or 6 days to debate the Queen’s Speech, leaving precious little time to debate anything else. 

 

Add to to that mix a House of Lords that is primed for filibustering and a potential budget.

 

This is truly an outrage and those who are complicit in it will not come out of it well.

[Top Cats Hat]

54 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Mentioned what you said to Atilla the stockbroker (whos been going since the early 80s and even though hes diy hes one of the bigger ones) and he has to disagree with what you said, here is his reply

Yes, that is absolutely his choice and if he sells more merch here than in Europe, that makes sense.

 

A much bigger problem for artists and crew is that people who have been gigging in Europe for decades, now have to apply and pay for work visas to do something they’ve always had the freedom to do.

[Robin-H]

3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

But it's not like they haven't had a break or anything.

 

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2018/july/house-of-commons-rises-for-summer-recess-2018/

 

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2019/july/house-of-commons-rises-for-summer-recess-2019/

No of course not. No one’s said otherwise. Sessions of parliament don’t preclude (long) breaks for summer, Christmas and easter. 

[Halibut]

22 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

Don't patronise me. This is a discussion forum, not a kindergarten - we should be able to converse like adults. 

 

This did not come without warning. This session of Parliament has been the longest since the civil war - it started back in 2017. The fact that parliament was going to be prorogued soon would have been clear to pretty much everyone. The exact dates and the length of proroguement weren't known, and I'm sure this is partly down to Boris wanting to demonstrate his hardline stance to the EU in a (futile) attempt to get them to change tac, but he has not 'gagged the voice of the people'. MPs have already had ample votes on no deal. 

 

If you think this is bad, wait until they suddenly announce a surprise bank holiday to eat up more time... 

 

 

A pathetic apology for a pathetic PM without any principles beyond the persuit of wealth, power and his own sense of entitlement.

[Longcol]

1 minute ago, Robin-H said:

No of course not. No one’s said otherwise. Sessions of parliament don’t preclude (long) breaks for summer, Christmas and easter. 

So there's really no need for Parliament to be closed for any longer is there?

[Baron99]

Just seen the news.  Watching pro-EU supporters standing outside a Scottish court waving placards stating, 'We demand democracy.' 

 

It appears have passed them & a minority of others by but they had the greatest example of democracy the UK has ever seen on 23 June 2016 but of course it wasn't their kind of democracy was it? 

 

The MAJORITY of us who voted to leave should not be surprised by the  pro-EU supporters views & actions after all these years.  They're clearly taking their leave from the EU institution itself.  How many times did the EU throw back the vote on the Lisbon Treaty to the Irish until they got the vote 'right'? 

 

Now watching one of the BBC's business correspondents, Victoria Fritz, discussing the day's newspapers & still talking about the UK 'crashing' out of the EU.   Not crashing out of anything, just simply leaving. 

 

Hardly unbiased presenting. 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Baron99
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[taxman]

On 29/08/2019 at 00:06, Mister M said:

"There's this idea from some people that to deliver Brexit we should suspend our parliamentary democracy - that we should prorogue Parliament. But that goes against everything that those men who waded on to those beaches fought and died for (on D-Day) and I will not have it." Matt Hancock, Health & Social Care Secretary, Conservative leadership election, 2019.

 

"I think it's outrageous to consider proroguing Parliament. We are not Stuart kings." Amber Rudd, Work and Pensions Secretary, during the Conservative leadership election, 2019.

 

"You don't deliver on democracy by trashing democracy. We are not selecting a dictator of our country, we are selecting a prime minister of our country." Sajid Javid, then Home Secretary now Chancellor, Conservative leadership election, 2019.

 

"Proroguing Parliament is clearly a mad suggestion. You cannot say you are going to take back control and then go: 'Oh, by the way, we are just going to shut Parliament down for a couple of months, so we are just going to drift out on a no deal'." Nicky Morgan, Question Time, 2019

 

"I think it will be wrong for many reasons. I think it would not be true to the best traditions of British democracy." Michael Gove, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster on BBC's The Andrew Marr Show, 2019.

Have these principled public servants resigned yet?

 

Nah...didn't think so.

2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Just seen the news.  Watching pro-EU supporters standing outside a Scottish court waving placards stating, 'We demand democracy.' 

 

It appears have passed them & a minority of others by but they had the greatest example of democracy the UK has ever seen on 23 June 2016 but of course it wasn't their kind of democracy was it? 

 

The MAJORITY of us who voted to leave should not be surprised by the  pro-EU supporters views & actions after all these years.  They're clearly taking their leave from the EU institution itself.  How many times did the EU throw back the vote on the Lisbon Treaty to the Irish until they got the vote 'right'? 

 

Now watching one of the BBC's business correspondents, Victoria Fritz, discussing the day's newspapers & still talking about the UK 'crashing' out of the EU.   Not crashing out of anything, just simply leaving. 

 

Hardly unbiased presenting. 

 

 

If a majority of people voted that everyone had to jump off a cliff would you blindly go along with it? Boatymacboatface!

[nightrider]

4 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Just seen the news.  Watching pro-EU supporters standing outside a Scottish court waving placards stating, 'We demand democracy.' 

 

It appears have passed them & a minority of others by but they had the greatest example of democracy the UK has ever seen on 23 June 2016 but of course it wasn't their kind of democracy was it? 

 

The MAJORITY of us who voted to leave should not be surprised by the  pro-EU supporters views & actions after all these years.  They're clearly taking their leave from the EU institution itself.  How many times did the EU throw back the vote on the Lisbon Treaty to the Irish until they got the vote 'right'? 

 

Now watching one of the BBC's business correspondents, Victoria Fritz, discussing the day's newspapers & still talking about the UK 'crashing' out of the EU.   Not crashing out of anything, just simply leaving. 

 

Hardly unbiased presenting. 

 

 

It really is amazing how many brexit supporters now support shutting down parliament.

 

When people labelled it a far right project, they denied it. Yet here they are supporting removal of democracy and showing their true colours. None of them believe in democracy at all. What they believe in is winning a dodgy advisory referendum by the skin of their teeth, and then subsequently preventing any more democracy taking place to get their way.

[Dromedary]

The Judge in the Scottish courts has refuse to put a temporary halt to the suspension of parliament.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49521132

 

Now lets see what happens at the full hearing and then we can decide if it is a removal of democracy. However I suspect that if the judgement in that hearing also states its OK many people will still see it as undemocratic regardless.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Dromedary