Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[hobinfoot]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

They were simply on the wrong side of history.

 

But the past has gone. We must build for a new tomorrow.

I agree with you about the past being the past. I voted to remain and probably would again but saying that I feel quite comfortable with what I think the deal will be with the EU. I honestly think both sides will take a pragmatic approach and will come up with a good deal that suits each other.

Edited December 26, 2019 by hobinfoot

[Mister Gee]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

They were simply on the wrong side of history.

 

But the past has gone. We must build for a new tomorrow.

Not looking good for the workers comrade!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/18/brexiteers-paid-holidays-millions-britons-eu-working-time-directive-rights

[apelike]

3 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

Not looking good for the workers comrade!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/18/brexiteers-paid-holidays-millions-britons-eu-working-time-directive-rights

An old story and a load of bull from.... 2017?

 

Despite that, the phrase "he would say that wouldn't he" springs to mind. It was written by an executive of the TUC who should also realise that the WTD is not set in stone and many workers can still work over the so called limit of 48 hour a week because they can and want to, and not because they are forced to.

[andyofborg]

4 hours ago, apelike said:

An old story and a load of bull from.... 2017?

 

Despite that, the phrase "he would say that wouldn't he" springs to mind. It was written by an executive of the TUC who should also realise that the WTD is not set in stone and many workers can still work over the so called limit of 48 hour a week because they can and want to, and not because they are forced to.

I'm sure your boss appreciates your desire to work yourself to death for his benefit

 

of course, if the government were to present and  pass legislation guaranteeing no diminution of workers right then this whole conversation would become moot. 

Edited December 26, 2019 by andyofborg

[apelike]

18 hours ago, andyofborg said:

I'm sure your boss appreciates your desire to work yourself to death for his benefit.

As said many opt out of the WHD and work overtime because they want to and not because they are forced to.  PS I dont have a boss..

 

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of course, if the government were to present and  pass legislation guaranteeing no diminution of workers right then this whole conversation would become moot. 

Then maybe we should wait first until we find out what they are going to do instead of judging them on what has not happened. It's also worth considering that a great deal of those workers rights were actually put in place by the UK and then later incorporated into EU law.

Edited December 27, 2019 by apelike

[Longcol]

On 26/12/2019 at 14:09, apelike said:

An old story and a load of bull from.... 2017?

 

Despite that, the phrase "he would say that wouldn't he" springs to mind. It was written by an executive of the TUC who should also realise that the WTD is not set in stone and many workers can still work over the so called limit of 48 hour a week because they can and want to, and not because they are forced to.

Because they can't afford not to.

On 26/12/2019 at 08:44, Car Boot said:

They were simply on the wrong side of history.

 

But the past has gone. We must build for a new tomorrow.

Let us build the brave new tomorrow as envisaged by comrades Cummings, Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove etc - make the rich richer, less for the rest of us.

[apelike]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

Because they can't afford not to.

So it not because they are forced to then! Glad that's cleared that up. 

 

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[Mister Gee]

9 minutes ago, apelike said:

So it not because they are forced to then! Glad that's cleared that up. 

 

 

 

Not yet but we’ll soon see.

[Longcol]

29 minutes ago, apelike said:

So it not because they are forced to then! Glad that's cleared that up. 

 

 

 

So it's need that's the driver to work more than 48 hours rather than "can and want",

 

Or you could say "forced to" because the wage without large amounts of overtime is simply insufficient for a decent standard of living.

[altus]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

So it not because they are forced to then! Glad that's cleared that up.

We've discussed the working time directive before. If you're at a job interview and they ask if you'd be willing to opt out of the WTD it's pretty obvious how unlikely you'll be to get the job if you don't say yes. Similarly, if your current employer asks if you'd be willing to opt out of the WTD you can guess the effect saying no would have when they next decide to shed staff.

 

At best people are coerced into 'opting' out rather than being forced, but that doesn't make much difference in practice.