Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[L00b]

Important speech by Von der Leyden today at the LSE.

 

Full text here.

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But the truth is that our partnership cannot and will not be the same as before. And it cannot and will not be as close as before – because with every choice comes a consequence. With every decision comes a trade-off. Without the free movement of people, you cannot have the free movement of capital, goods and services. Without a level playing field on environment, labour, taxation and state aid, you cannot have the highest quality access to the world's largest single market.
 
The more divergence there is, the more distant the partnership has to be. And without an extension of the transition period beyond 2020, you cannot expect to agree on every single aspect of our new partnership. We will have to prioritise. The European Union's objectives in the negotiation are clear. We will work for solutions that uphold the integrity of the EU, its single market and its Customs Union. There can be no compromise on this.

But we are ready to design a new partnership with zero tariffs, zero quotas, zero dumping. A partnership that goes well beyond trade and is unprecedented in scope. Everything from climate action to data protection, fisheries to energy, transport to space, financial services to security. And we are ready to work day and night to get as much of this done within the timeframe we have.

 

Edited January 8, 2020 by L00b

[apelike]

This one works.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/08/watch-live-eu-chief-von-der-leyen-delivers-speech-on-eu-uk-future-relationship

[hobinfoot]

15 minutes ago, L00b said:

Important speech by Von der Leyden today at the LSE.

 

Full text here.

That sounds fair enough.

[melthebell]

3 hours ago, L00b said:

 

 

I made a simple point about the irony of the UK deciding to leave the EU to stop EU27 unskilled moving there under the EU FoM, then rocking up to Oz with an FTA proposal including UK-Oz FoM, only for Oz to turn around and go 'thanks but no, we don't want UK unskilled moving here'.

 

dont worry Loob, i see the irony too LOL

[taxman]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/08/helen-mccourts-killer-to-be-freed-as-ministers-appeal-rejected 

Here is a consequence of Brexit.  The government spent so much time looking up its own jacksy that they failed to pass the laws they promised. And whilst red faced gammons can get off on having  blue passports again in the real world people need a government to deliver on a range of issues, not just one loud and stupid one. 

[Mister Gee]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/child-refugee-vote-brexit-bill-withdrawal-agreement-labour-boris-johnson-a9275391.html

 

MPs vote against amendment that would have protected the right for unaccompanied child refugees to be reunited with their family after Brexit. We've finally got our country back but it's a cesspit.

[Sidonica]

10 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/child-refugee-vote-brexit-bill-withdrawal-agreement-labour-boris-johnson-a9275391.html

 

MPs vote against amendment that would have protected the right for unaccompanied child refugees to be reunited with their family after Brexit. We've finally got our country back but it's a cesspit.

I sent an email to my new conservative MP (Stocksbridge & Penistone) about this some time ago,  I don't think she will bother to reply now but I will send her another email anyway.

[L00b]

11 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/child-refugee-vote-brexit-bill-withdrawal-agreement-labour-boris-johnson-a9275391.html

 

MPs vote against amendment that would have protected the right for unaccompanied child refugees to be reunited with their family after Brexit. We've finally got our country back but it's a cesspit.

The government is whipping against any and all amendments, to preserve as 'blank' and wide a scope of negotiation as possible, before the post-Brexit FTA negotiations begin (amendments would signal to the EU27, where the UK intends to go in the negotiations, ie they would begin to "show the UK's hand").

 

It certainly does not make for a good look. But there is understandable method to that apparent madness (from a utilitarian point of view), and what matters is the end point: after the negotiations are through, the UK may well end up protecting the reunification rights of unaccompanied child refugees, besides other issues (eg Erasmus amendment similarly defeated last night, so no more Erasmus - pending negotiations however), by the time the UK-EU FTA is done and signed.

Edited January 9, 2020 by L00b

[Tony]

^^ this is a very good assessment. Negotiations are just that - negotiations. Until the final version comes together there is little point in getting excited or upset about any particular aspect that either party might push for.

[tinfoilhat]

8 hours ago, Sidonica said:

I sent an email to my new conservative MP (Stocksbridge & Penistone) about this some time ago,  I don't think she will bother to reply now but I will send her another email anyway.

I sent mine a tweet. Haven't had a reply. Don't expect one.