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[Longcol]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

I take it that you can't explain how Boris asking MPs not to attempt to block a no-deal is engineering a General Election.  I don't need to think about anything because I understand the MPs opposing  a no-deal are undermining Brexit negotiations  and aim to the block the implementation of the democratic 2016 EU referendum result.

What negotiations? Boris hasn't tried to negotiate - he demanded the Irish Backstop was removed but that isn't negotiations. 

 

Opposition to no deal isn't blocking the referendum result if you're prepared to leave with a deal.

 

You really do need to think.

 

 

[Lockdoctor]

16 minutes ago, Longcol said:

What negotiations? Boris hasn't tried to negotiate - he demanded the Irish Backstop was removed but that isn't negotiations. 

 

Opposition to no deal isn't blocking the referendum result if you're prepared to leave with a deal.

 

You really do need to think.

 

 

Boris sent David Frost to Brussels last week to negotiate alternatives to the Backstop with EU officials.  It's been reported the UK negotiating team are going to meet EU officials twice a week in an attempt to get a new deal.  To say Boris hasn't tried to negotiate is not true.

 

You seem to have forgotten Parliament rejected Theresa May's and Oliver Robbins deal with the EU three times.  You need to think that there are a large number of MPs in Parliament who will not support any deal because they don't want our country to leave the EU which is against the democratic wishes of the people who voted in the 2016 EU referendum.  To rule out no-deal is the same as our country remaining in the EU.

[Longcol]

9 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Boris sent David Frost to Brussels last week to negotiate alternatives to the Backstop with EU officials.  It's been reported the UK negotiating team are going to meet EU officials twice a week in an attempt to get a new deal.  To say Boris hasn't tried to negotiate is not true.

 

 

He hasn't offered any practical alternative - just demanded the backstop be replaced with unicorns. That isn't negotiation - or not among grown ups on the continent.

[Lockdoctor]

3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

He hasn't offered any practical alternative - just demanded the backstop be replaced with unicorns. That isn't negotiation - or not among grown ups on the continent.

Your own prejudices prevent you from having an open mind.  You were not at last weeks meeting between the UK negotiators and EU officials so you have no idea how practical any alternatives to the Backstop discussed are.

[Longcol]

6 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

  You were not at last weeks meeting between the UK negotiators and EU officials so you have no idea how practical any alternatives to the Backstop discussed are.

Over here in France (and the rest of Europe, including the UK) the "negotiations" have been widely reported. All that has happened is Johnson has demanded the backstop goes and has offered nothing practical to replace it by 31 October.

 

Boris is only interested in Boris - that has been clear for years.

Edited September 2, 2019 by Longcol

[Dardandec]

He will have to call a General Election, he will have no choice whether he likes it or not. Leaving without a deal is not what the majority of leave voters voted for. Three years on, the 2016 Referendum result is defunct, I know loads of people who now wish they had voted remain and feel they were duped. Don't know one person who wishes they had voted leave.

 

GE time, no other option.

[Longcol]

3 minutes ago, Dardandec said:

He will have to call a General Election, he will have no choice whether he likes it or not. Leaving without a deal is not what the majority of leave voters voted for. Three years on, the 2016 Referendum result is defunct, I know loads of people who now wish they had voted remain and feel they were duped. Don't know one person who wishes they had voted leave.

 

GE time, no other option.

He can't call a GE off his own bat - either he has to lose a vote no confidence or 2/3 rds of MP's have to want an early election.

 

Perhaps he'll propose a vote of no confidence in himself 😎

[Pettytom]

3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

 

 

Perhaps he'll propose a vote of no confidence in himself 😎

He’s already done that by running away from parliamentary scrutiny for five weeks.

 

The only possible explanation  for doing that is because he knows that he doesn’t command the confidence of the house.

[RJRB]

22 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Your own prejudices prevent you from having an open mind.  You were not at last weeks meeting between the UK negotiators and EU officials so you have no idea how practical any alternatives to the Backstop discussed are.

The best alternative to the backstop is to Remain.

Its unlikely to happen I know,because through sheer incompetence on the part of our politicians we have almost arrived at the very worst of all options that were available to us over the last 3 years.

You mention prejudices,which explain much of why the referendum went as it did,

If you disagree with this then at least make some attempt to provide some cogent reasons as to why we may benefit from any form of Brexit.

[Longcol]

4 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

He’s already done that by running away from parliamentary scrutiny for five weeks.

 

The only possible explanation  for doing that is because he knows that he doesn’t command the confidence of the house.

Agree - it's pretty obvious that all his shenanigans are to try and prevent a vote on no deal.