Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[Lockdoctor]

4 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

It didn’t actually.

 

If anything it showed that a 4% advantage of Leave over Remain in 2016 had actually reversed and Remain now had a 6-10% advantage over Leave depending on what you counted as a Remain or Leave Party.

You can't alter the fact that the Brexit Party won more seats and a bigger share of the vote in the recent European Elections  than  UKIP did in the same elections in 2014.  It was because UKIP did so well in 2014  that the Tory Party went into the 2015 General Election with a manifesto  offering an EU referendum.  Another fact you conveniently ignore is that voters had only one reason to vote for the Brexit Party in the recent European Elections while voters had many different reasons to vote for all the other parties that won seats.

[Pettytom]

1 minute ago, Lockdoctor said:

You can't alter the fact that the Brexit Party won more seats and a bigger share of the vote in the recent European Elections  than  UKIP did in the same elections in 2014.  It was because UKIP did so well in 2014  that the Tory Party went into the 2015 General Election with a manifesto  offering an EU referendum.  Another fact you conveniently ignore is that voters had only one reason to vote for the Brexit Party in the recent European Elections while voters had many different reasons to vote for all the other parties that won seats.

And yet, only 30% of  the 40% of the electorate who bothered to vote, voted for the Brexit Party.

 

That’s 12% of the electorate, by the way.

[stifflersmom]

31 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

It was a democratic result.  Yes, I am fixated that the largest democratic vote ever in UK history with over 35 million people turning out should be respected and implemented. The results of the recent European Elections where the Brexit Party became the largest single Party from one country in the European Parliament indicate there is strong support for a no-deal Brexit and the desire to leave the EU hasn't diminished.   The country can't move on until the democratic 2016 EU referendum result is implemented which is what Boris is seeking to do and what I support.

My bold - this is a lie that is often put out by Brexiters. It is not true. The 1992 General Election had both a higher turnout (78% vs 72% for the referendum), and higher number of votes cast (33 614074 vs 33 551983).

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-not-largest-democratic-exercise/

Edited September 4, 2019 by stifflersmom

[Top Cats Hat]

15 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Another fact you conveniently ignore is that voters had only one reason to vote for the Brexit Party in the recent European Elections while voters had many different reasons to vote for all the other parties that won seats.

I clearly didn’t ignore it as I used the figure 6-10% to reflect that there were a number of different ways to calculate what a pro-Brexit Party was and what wasn’t.

 

By all means say that you believe that the 2016 referendum result obliges the UK government to leave the EU. That is an opinion and you have every right to hold it.

 

But please don’t repeatedly tell us that the majority of people in the UK support leaving the EU, because not only is that untrue but I suspect that you know it is untrue. 😡

[melthebell]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

You can't alter the fact that the Brexit Party won more seats and a bigger share of the vote in the recent European Elections  than  UKIP did in the same elections in 2014.  It was because UKIP did so well in 2014  that the Tory Party went into the 2015 General Election with a manifesto  offering an EU referendum.  Another fact you conveniently ignore is that voters had only one reason to vote for the Brexit Party in the recent European Elections while voters had many different reasons to vote for all the other parties that won seats.

So you've trotted this pearl of wisdom out again.

to prove that leave is doing better than remain you use the fact that a leave party is doing better than a leave party, hmmmm

[apelike]

2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That is why Leave supporters are so desperate to avoid a second referendum.

I disagree. A second referendum is a highly unlikely scenario in the circumstances and by all accounts parliament do not want one for obvious reasons. 

[Top Cats Hat]

Parliament has just supported the second reading of the Brexit Delay Bill.

 

The People 2 Farage/Johnson 0 🙂👍

[tzijlstra]

Tories are tearing themselves apart over this. It truly is a sight to behold, removing some of the most senior, experienced and upstanding members of his party is going to backfire on Johnson in a spectacular way. Ken Clarke alone is incredibly popular with the older vote. Bad decisions all around at the moment...

[Lockdoctor]

52 minutes ago, melthebell said:

So you've trotted this pearl of wisdom out again.

to prove that leave is doing better than remain you use the fact that a leave party is doing better than a leave party, hmmmm

I compared the 2014 and 2019 European Election results which clearly show the desire for our country to leave the EU hasn't diminished during that period.  If the Lib Dems had gained the most seats and the biggest share of the vote in this year's European Elections instead of the Brexit Party, then that would have been a good basis for an argument that support for leaving the EU had fallen since the democratic 2016 EU referendum vote.  But, that didn't happen.

[Car Boot]

Most people just want us out now and to forget we were ever a part of that sorry EU big business club. It's only the rich and their puppet politicians that want to keep us in.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Car Boot