Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[Car Boot]

58 minutes ago, RJRB said:

The only outcome of this whole sorry mess that would provide a rapid return to normality is a further referendum that returns a Remain result.

Any form of Brexit will lead to years of negotiations regarding trade deals,and obviously to leave with No Deal is the most damaging of all options.

So I am sick of politicians saying that the British people are so tired of the whole subject as a reason to leave with No Deal on Oct 31st.

This is not a concluding date,just the start of a whole new chapter(or book) of negotiations,most of which will leave us in a worse position than we have enjoyed as a member of the EU.

The working class have had enough of your establishment 'normality'. We don't want your 'normality' of exploitation and exclusion. We voted for change, not the capitalist big business EU membership way of the poor being unheard, unseen and unwelcome. The miners and those who supported them were portrayed as being stupid and backward for trying to take control of their own destiny. We, the Leave voters, are similarly attacked for wanting a change to the status quo. A status quo which means social and economic exclusion for those who are working class. 

 

6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I think you’ll find that working class people have been marginalised and excluded for slightly longer than forty years! 🙄

 

I recommend that you read E P Thompson’s The Making of the English Working Class as well as anything by Marx, Engels, Lenin or Gramsci if you want to learn about the history of the working class and its position in society.

I highly recommend 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Car Boot

[Car Boot]

29 minutes ago, Halibut said:

What gives you the right to speak for the working class?

I'm a member of the working class, unlike the forces of the Bourgeoisie who are out in force to defend their capitalist club membership and thus prevent proletarian revolution. 

[tinfoilhat]

2 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The working class have had enough of your establishment 'normality'. We don't want your 'normality' of exploitation and exclusion. We voted for change, not the capitalist big business EU membership way of the poor being unheard, unseen and unwelcome. The miners and those who supported them were portrayed as being stupid and backward for trying to take control of their own destiny. We, the Leave voters, are similarly attacked for wanting a change to the status quo. A status quo which means social and economic exclusion for those who are working class. 

So a remain supporter corbyn is a class traitor then?

[melthebell]

41 minutes ago, Halibut said:

What gives you the right to speak for the working class?

schoolboy socialism

58 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

I meant super rich people such as Lord David Sainsbury, the supermarket heir ennobled by Tony Bliar, who gave £4.2 million to the Remain campaign.

 

Did you deliberately miss out my post just before yours where it shows 5 of the RICHEST men in the whole country gave 61% of the donations to leave groups? now leave out the faux class warfare, its complete boolocks 

[Pettytom]

43 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The working class have had enough of your establishment 'normality'. We don't want your 'normality' of exploitation and exclusion. We voted for change, not the capitalist big business EU membership way of the poor being unheard, unseen and unwelcome. The miners and those who supported them were portrayed as being stupid and backward for trying to take control of their own destiny. We, the Leave voters, are similarly attacked for wanting a change to the status quo. A status quo which means social and economic exclusion for those who are working class. 

 

I highly recommend 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell.

Why do you make common cause with Ann Widdecombe and Jacob Rees Mogg.

 

Not exactly a people’s uprising, is it.

[Mister M]

40 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

I'm a member of the working class, unlike the forces of the Bourgeoisie who are out in force to defend their capitalist club membership and thus prevent proletarian revolution. 

So what are your views on the leaked details from the official Yellowhammer report which details just some of the hardships which will disproportionately affect the working classes? Or are you hoping that the worse things get for them, the more they'll turn to revolutionary socialism for solace?

[Car Boot]

23 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Why do you make common cause with Ann Widdecombe and Jacob Rees Mogg.

 

Not exactly a people’s uprising, is it.

I don't make common cause with Tories. 

 

I do know that the Leave vote will destroy the Conservative party and reshape the modern political landscape in such a way has been impossible for almost 90 years.

 

The middle classes are going to have to lose their advantages. Pure and simple. That's why they are shouting and stamping their feet so much.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Car Boot

[RJRB]

8 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

I don't make common cause with Tories. 

 

I do know that the Leave vote will destroy the Conservative party and reshape the modern political landscape in such a way has been impossible for almost 90 years.

 

The middle classes are going to have to lose their advantages. Pure and simple. That's why they are shouting and stamping their feet so much.

I can see that your idea is to foment revolution.

The problem is that those at the bottom of the pile suffer the most on balance.

My political leanings are certainly left of centre,but more of an inside left than a very wide wing player.

I suppose we have a little common ground in wanting this right wing government to fail miserably,but I would prefer not to see the man in the street lose their jobs in the process.

 

[Top Cats Hat]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

I highly recommend 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell.

Funny you mention that, because I have always thought that the character Jack Slyme in that book is the archetypal working class Brexit supporter!

 

A conservative, reactionary worker who moans about everything, who not only never actually gets off his arse to do anything about it, but criticises anyone who advocates change.

 

If you are seriously suggesting that most working-class Leave supporters voted that way for progressive rather than reactionary reasons you are even more deluded than  most on here think you are.

 

You are certainly no socialist. 😡

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The Bill is getting filibustered in the House of lords right now. I wonder if they can keep it up so Boris can prorogue parliament.

 

And the government has just allowed a deliberate allowance of Kinnock's amendment  into the bill allowing Theresa Mays withdrawal agreement to be brought back which effectively rules out revoking article 50 and not allowing a second referendum. No wonder twitter is going mental.

 

Of course the Lords can strike out an accidental addition but it has to go to the Lords and back to house all of which takes time. And time is something that Bill does not have at the moment.