Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[Top Cats Hat]

25 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Finland's Prime Minister said it doesn't make sense to continue to grant extensions which lead nowhere.

But it won’t lead nowhere if it gives the UK time and opportunity to hold a general election, hold a second referendum or revoke Article 50 altogether.

 

In other news, Farage has said that he will only stand aside in an election if Johnson promises to leave the EU with no deal. Looks like the Leave vote will be split down the middle in that case. It’s now more important than ever for Labour to become a Remain party and replace Corbyn with McDonnell.

[nightrider]

13 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

But it won’t lead nowhere if it gives the UK time and opportunity to hold a general election, hold a second referendum or revoke Article 50 altogether.

 

In other news, Farage has said that he will only stand aside in an election if Johnson promises to leave the EU with no deal. Looks like the Leave vote will be split down the middle in that case. It’s now more important than ever for Labour to become a Remain party and replace Corbyn with McDonnell.

It seems likely to me we will just end up with another split parliament, so I think there is some truth in the view that an extension solves nothing.

 

Don't forget when it comes to voting on a deal our MP's cannot get a majority for anything (IIRC the indicative votes on all the options), but they also won't revoke and also won't leave with no deal. 

[Pettytom]

12 minutes ago, nightrider said:

It seems likely to me we will just end up with another split parliament, so I think there is some truth in the view that an extension solves nothing.

 

Don't forget when it comes to voting on a deal our MP's cannot get a majority for anything (IIRC the indicative votes on all the options), but they also won't revoke and also won't leave with no deal. 

At the very least, a GE clears the air.

 

A decisive vote fir Johnson/Cummings gives a clear mandate for no deal. Any other result means that no deal goes and we have to seek a proper alternative.

 

Of course, I’m hoping that Labour romp home on the promise of a people’s vote.

 

Whichever way we vote this time, it will be from a much more informed standpoint and the result must be honoured by the house.

[Lockdoctor]

14 minutes ago, nightrider said:

It seems likely to me we will just end up with another split parliament, so I think there is some truth in the view that an extension solves nothing.

 

Don't forget when it comes to voting on a deal our MP's cannot get a majority for anything (IIRC the indicative votes on all the options), but they also won't revoke and also won't leave with no deal. 

You make some fair points.  When the EU nations see what is happening in our Parliament there are no reasons why they should think the situation will be resolved anytime soon.  If the EU had any credibility they would tell our country they are not going to grant any further extensions and to  either accept the Withdrawal Agreement on offer or leave the EU on 31st October without a deal.

[hobinfoot]

I don’t mind another referendum but remain cannot be on the ballot paper. It should be on what kind of brexit we want. This would honour the 2016 vote.

[melthebell]

11 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I don’t mind another referendum but remain cannot be on the ballot paper. It should be on what kind of brexit we want. This would honour the 2016 vote.

What about those that may have changed their minds? Not very Democratic of you

[WalkleyIan]

5 minutes ago, melthebell said:

What about those that may have changed their minds? Not very Democratic of you

And around 2 millions new voters, estimated that 3/4 of them favour remain. I suspect if remain wasn't on the paper you would be looking at an awful lot of spoiled ballots to count . 

[RJRB]

 

25 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I don’t mind another referendum but remain cannot be on the ballot paper. It should be on what kind of brexit we want. This would honour the 2016 vote.

I would love another referendum but it must include Remain.

I will leave it to the Brexit supporters to list the many versions of Brexit that can be envisaged.Good luck on that one.

Edited September 5, 2019 by RJRB

[Top Cats Hat]

42 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I don’t mind another referendum but remain cannot be on the ballot paper. that

Given that the majority of UK citizens wish to remain in the EU, wouldn’t it be a bit pointless to have a referendum for less than half of the population?

[hobinfoot]

32 minutes ago, melthebell said:

What about those that may have changed their minds? Not very Democratic of you

It’s definitely democratic. In another referendum we will choose what kind of exit is wanted this will honour the 2016 vote.