Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[apelike]

3 hours ago, andyofborg said:

That wouldn't really work as the MPs wouldn't really get the chance to get enough experience across government to become PM.

I'm not so sure about that as most rely on advisers and ministers to do their part and 15 years is still a fairly long time to be a MP or have a government. We have had 3 PM's in fairly quick succession who have demonstrated that experience does not matter much. Cameron screwed himself badly by underestimating the potential result of the referendum and had to resign because he knew he had messed up. Theresa May also messed up despite experience by calling for GE when it was not necessary and had to resign. We now have the clown Boris, what happens next with him is a mystery and we will have to wait and see.

 

Don't forget that most of the EU and some places elsewhere (USA) have a limit of around 10 years maximum for any President, so I don't think experience plays a major part. Its seems popularity, likeability and charisma play more of a part and the reason some are upset that the whip has been withdrawn on some of them.

[RJRB]

41 minutes ago, Albert the Cat said:

Cummings makes Alistair Campbell look like a god damn wizard!

Unless his publicised contempt for politicians is centred on Boris and he is more Machiavellian than we supposed.

Cummings provides the script and Boris fluffs his lines.

[Lockdoctor]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

Not what you were saying at the time - isn't hindsight wonderful 😎

At the time sitting Labour MPs didn't think Labour would win as many seats as they did in the snap 2017 General Election.  The Labour MPs expected the Tories to increase their majority which would have led to Corbyn resigning as their leader. 

 

Yes,  if Cameron had the benefit of hindsight he wouldn't have pushed to hold the 2016 democratic EU referendum.

[Longcol]

4 minutes ago, apelike said:

I'm not so sure about that as most rely on advisers and ministers to do their part and 15 years is still a fairly long time to be a MP or have a government.

Thatcher was an MP for well over 15 years before she even  became PM.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Longcol

[Lockdoctor]

12 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

Boris has given Corbyn and co the chance to let the public decide who they want to sort Brexit out yet Corbyn won't go for it. I thought he was confident he could win an election. An election is the only way anything will get sorted yet they'd rather drag it out and make negotiations harder

Exactly correct,  Corbyn clearly thinks he wouldn't have won a General Election on either the 14th or 15th October meaning he wouldn't be going to the EU summit on 17th October.  

[NERVY-OWL]

7 minutes ago, RJRB said:

As regards Brexit a General Election will not sort anything out.

A No Deal will not sort anything out as it just leads to years of negotiations with the EU and other trading blocs.

The only progress that can be made is by way of a further referendum .

 

 

If it give him a better majority it might. Your right though a referendum asking the people if we want to leave with a deal or not might be the only way

[Longcol]

3 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Exactly correct,  Corbyn clearly thinks he wouldn't have won a General Election on either the 14th or 15th October meaning he wouldn't be going to the EU summit on 17th October.  

He - along with all the opposition parties - didn't trust Johnson to call one on that date, given his attempts to run the clock down for a no-deal and the fact Johnson is a serial liar anyway.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Longcol

[apelike]

1 minute ago, NERVY-OWL said:

If it give him a better majority it might. Your right though a referendum asking the people if we want to leave with a deal or not might be the only way

What deal, the same one that has been rejected by parliament 3 times or another hypothetical one that the EU are extremely unlikely to give? 

[Pettytom]

4 minutes ago, apelike said:

What deal, the same one that has been rejected by parliament 3 times or another hypothetical one that the EU are extremely unlikely to give? 

At some point there has to be a deal.

 

Unless we want our trade terms with the EU to be catastrophically damaged.

 

That will be harder to do once we leave.

[NERVY-OWL]

5 minutes ago, apelike said:

What deal, the same one that has been rejected by parliament 3 times or another hypothetical one that the EU are extremely unlikely to give? 

No a Boris deal. It's simple either leave on 31st with or without a deal or not leave until a deal is agreed that's acceptable to all the party's, that's the choice we should be given seems Corbyn and co are hell bent on stopping it