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[Top Cats Hat]

2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

At the time sitting Labour MPs didn't think Labour would win as many seats as they did in the snap 2017 General Election. 

It is a little more subtle than that.

 

Many right-wing/Blairite Labour MPs were actively hoping that Labour would do poorly in 2017 so that they could get rid of Corbyn. There was a fascinating documentary which followed three Blairite MPs during that election and beautifully captured their utter horror as good result after good result came in, leaving them absolutely terrified that Corbyn would win or if he didn’t, he certainly wouldn’t be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

I can’t remember who the other two were but do remember Stephen Kinnock being one of them for a bizarre scene where his wife (a former Danish Prime Minister) was talking to him about the result and making him look like a confused child compared to her mature, political savvy.

[Pettytom]

12 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

It wasn't what I read. I watched part of a political programme and two remoaners were asked outright if they would accept another referendum result of it was to leave still and they said no, I'm sure it would be different if it was to stay though.

The remoaners have some nerve saying Boris is ignoring democracy when they come out with things like that

So, your entire analysis is based on what you saw two people say on tv.

 

Do you think it might be a good idea to do a bit more research?

 

 

19 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

But the rebels have said no to the backstop so we'll have to leave.

The Tory hardline faction said no to the backstop. If they had voted for it, we’d have left the EU by now.

 

If you want someone to blame for us not leaving the EU, try Jacob Rees Mogg.

[NERVY-OWL]

6 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

So, your entire analysis is based on what you saw two people say on tv.

 

Do you think it might be a good idea to do a bit more research?

 

 

The Tory hardline faction said no to the backstop. If they had voted for it, we’d have left the EU by now.

 

If you want someone to blame for us not leaving the EU, try Jacob Rees Mogg.

From what I've seen so far I've no reason to doubt it's how the majority would react. 

I never said it wasn't just Corbyn and co blocking the backstop, plenty of rebels in the Tory's aswell. Boris is doing his best to honour the referendum

[Longcol]

34 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

But the rebels have said no to the backstop so we'll have to leave.

If you mean the Tory rebels, they have said no to no-deal. No deal would get rid of the backstop (and could have umpteen unforeseen consequences). Having a deal would - certainly under May's deal or similar - retain the backstop.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Longcol

[Lockdoctor]

20 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

 

 

 

The Tory hardline faction said no to the backstop. If they had voted for it, we’d have left the EU by now.

 

If you want someone to blame for us not leaving the EU, try Jacob Rees Mogg.

You need to do more research or have a better memory.  Jacob Rees-Mogg  voted in favour of the Withdrawal Agreement on offer on the third time of asking.  Most of the Tory Party eventually were prepared to compromise and support the agreement unlike the Labour Party.  Esther McVey said she held her nose and supported the deal on the third time of asking.  

Edited September 8, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Top Cats Hat]

6 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

Boris is doing his best to honour the referendum

Really?

 

Amber Rudd’s interview this morning made it quite clear that hardly any effort is being made to negotiate an exit and a whole lot of effort is going into no-deal planning.

 

When was a no-deal exit part of any promise made during the referendum?

[Pettytom]

8 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

You need to do more research or have a better memory.  Jacob Rees-Mogg  voted in favour of the Withdrawal Agreement on offer on the third time of asking.  Most of the Tory Party eventually were prepared to compromise and support the agreement unlike the Labour Party.  Esther McVey said she held her nose and supported the deal on the third time of asking.  

Didn’t the Tories have a majority at that point?

17 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

From what I've seen so far I've no reason to doubt it's how the majority would react. 

I never said it wasn't just Corbyn and co blocking the backstop, plenty of rebels in the Tory's aswell. Boris is doing his best to honour the referendum

Boris is doing his best to cling to power.

 

He cares about only one thing. And it isn’t the referendum 

[Longcol]

19 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

You need to do more research or have a better memory.  Jacob Rees-Mogg  voted in favour of the Withdrawal Agreement on offer on the third time of asking.  Most of the Tory Party eventually were prepared to compromise and support the agreement unlike the Labour Party.  Esther McVey said she held her nose and supported the deal on the third time of asking.  

If 33 Tories hadn't voted against the deal and supported May it would have been passed.

 

Since then they've been looking to blame everyone but themselves for the mess of their own making.

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by Longcol

[Lockdoctor]

12 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Didn’t the Tories have a majority at that point?

 

No because the DUP didn't support the Withdrawal Agreement.  The Labour Party mainly  voted against the Withdrawal Agreement for political reasons.  

 

3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

If 33 Tories hadn't voted against the deal and supported May it would have been passed.

 

Since then they've been looking to blame everyone but themselves for the mess of their own making.

 

If 33 more Labour MPs had supported the agreement then that would have ruled out a no-deal.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[taxman]

12 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Really?

 

Amber Rudd’s interview this morning made it quite clear that hardly any effort is being made to negotiate an exit and a whole lot of effort is going into no-deal planning.

 

When was a no-deal exit part of any promise made during the referendum?

To be fair, a lot of no deal planning is useful anyway. It shows weaknesses in current operations, highlights lack of contigency etc.

 

My organisation has had to do a tonne of it because without it the Southeast would be a giant car park of lorries full of waste which would have to be diverted to landfill in the North.

 

So far we have made localised deals with our counterparts on the continent that should mean business as usual if there was no deal.

 

Thats the good news. The bad new is that all our other operations and activities have been subject to a "stop or slow" edict so resources can be diverted to no deal planning.

 

So instead of doing our day job we've had to let criminals go unpunished due to lack of resource.

 

Oh well, we still have the prospect of being able to volunteer to burn all the lambs farmers won't be able to sell under WTO rules to look forward to.