Same Changing Room For Male/Female at Swimming Baths.

[Daven]

All hospital wards are essentially mixed sex wards but have different bays for male and female unless it is an acute/ critical care area where males and females are together in the same space for obvious reasons.

2 hours ago, Lex Luthor said:

Because many women and men find it totally degrading, and if that's how they feel, their views should be respected.

From my own experience very few people would, when asked, care that they were in a mixed sex environment.

[ECCOnoob]

2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

I haven't stated I object to mixed changing rooms, but I do object to there not being changing rooms/areas available for only male and female swimmers.  It shouldn't really be difficult to understand. On the toilet thread I made a similar point that I have no objection to gender neutral toilets but don't support them replacing toilets just for males and females.

Why do you object? I don't understand what the problem is?

 

There are universal changing cubicles for all. Nobody is seeing anything.  You do it behind a closed door and come back out into the main communal area.

 

It's exactly the same with gender neutral toilets.  I have been in a few of them as they are starting to be installed in several office buildings particularly in London.  Generally they are a room filled with lots of individual cubicles (often now floor to ceiling height with a sealed door) and then have a communal area for handwashing or sometimes even individual hand washing stations in the cubicles.

 

You go in, you do your thing and you leave.  Nobody any the wiser whether your next door neighbour is a man woman or beast.

 

We are all human beings sharing a space. Why do people find it so difficult to adjust.  I thought really we've moved on and evolved from all this.

 

Is fascinating how people heavily criticise the middle East countries for their ruthless segregation and degrading treatment particularly of women and homosexuals.  The terrible segregation cafes and restaurants.  The segregation and a off in public baths.  Their Draconian dress codes when out in public and then you end up reading a thread like this!! 

Edited October 11, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[Sidonica]

1 minute ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

 

  It is not expected that people are generally walking around nude or doing intimate things in the middle of hospital ward for all to see.

 

 

Generally speaking no but over the years I have visited older family members in hospital and on one occasion saw a man walking about with no clothes on and on another occasion  a family member exposing himself by not pulling his pyjamas up properly.  Neither  of them would ever had done this normally, both were there because they had had a stroke. I never told the family member what he had done because he would have been upset that he had done such a thing.

[Lockdoctor]

17 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Why do you object? I don't understand what the problem is?

 

There are universal changing cubicles for all. Nobody is seeing anything.  You do it behind a closed door and come back out into the main communal area.

 

It's exactly the same with gender neutral toilets.  I have been in a few of them as they are starting to be installed in several office buildings particularly in London.  Generally they are a room filled with lots of individual cubicles (often now floor to ceiling height with a sealed door) and then have a communal area for handwashing or sometimes even individual hand washing stations in the cubicles.

 

You go in, you do your thing and you leave.  Nobody any the wiser whether your next door neighbour is a man woman or beast.

 

We are all human beings sharing a space. Why do people find it so difficult to adjust.  I thought really we've moved on and evolved from all this.

 

Is fascinating how people heavily criticise the middle East countries for their ruthless segregation and degrading treatment particularly of women and homosexuals.  The terrible segregation cafes and restaurants.  The segregation and a off in public baths.  Their Draconian dress codes when out in public and then you end up reading a thread like this!! 

It says more about yourself  than me that you don't  understand what the problem is and why you have to ask why people object to being forced to share mixed sexed facilities.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Sidonica said:

Generally speaking no but over the years I have visited older family members in hospital and on one occasion saw a man walking about with no clothes on and on another occasion  a family member exposing himself by not pulling his pyjamas up properly.  Neither  of them would ever had done this normally, both were there because they had had a stroke. I never told the family member what he had done because he would have been upset that he had done such a thing.

 You have made an excellent point. Nobody is at their best when in hospital and the older generation are more likely to be more adversely affected by being placed in a mixed sex ward than the younger generation. 

[ECCOnoob]

8 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

It says more about yourself  than me that you don't  understand what the problem is and why you have to ask why people object to being forced to share mixed sexed facilities.

 

It's not.   It's a bog in a room.  You know just like you have in a house.  Just like you have in smaller cafes or libraries or trains or airplanes or small offices or any disabled toilet up and down this land.

 

The same applies for changing rooms.  Lots of small fashion shops have changing cubicles for universal use.  Lots of sports centres have universal changing areas with private cubicles.   

 

There isn't a problem to understand.  

[Lockdoctor]

7 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

It's not.   It's a bog in a room.  You know just like you have in a house.  Just like you have in smaller cafes or libraries or trains or airplanes or small offices or any disabled toilet up and down this land.

 

The same applies for changing rooms.  Lots of small fashion shops have changing cubicles for universal use.  Lots of sports centres have universal changing areas with private cubicles.   

 

There isn't a problem to understand.  

You're not comparing like for like.  It's ludicrous to compare private toilet facilities in your own home to public facilities. 

 

Swimming baths and hospitals are not the same as small businesses which provide facilities to oblige customers.  At one time not too long ago, it would have been unthinkable for Swimming baths and hospitals to have mixed sexed changing areas and mixed sexed wards, and it's ridiculous and a sad reflection of how moral values have deteriorated in such a short period of time we are even having this discussion.

[Pettytom]

5 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

You're not comparing like for like.  It's ludicrous to compare private toilet facilities in your own home to public facilities. 

 

Swimming baths and hospitals are not the same as small businesses which provide facilities to oblige customers.  At one time not too long ago, it would have been unthinkable for Swimming baths and hospitals to have mixed sexed changing areas and mixed sexed wards, and it's ridiculous and a sad reflection of how moral values have deteriorated in such a short period of time we are even having this discussion.

Why are mixed gender changing facilities, evidence of the decline of moral values?

 

That’s one of you more ridiculous claims.

 

Why on earth should we spend money segregating people for no benefit at all?

[ECCOnoob]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

You're not comparing like for like.  It's ludicrous to compare private toilet facilities in your own home to public facilities. 

 

Swimming baths and hospitals are not the same as small businesses which provide facilities to oblige customers.  At one time not too long ago, it would have been unthinkable for Swimming baths and hospitals to have mixed sexed changing areas and mixed sexed wards, and it's ridiculous and a sad reflection of how moral values have deteriorated in such a short period of time we are even having this discussion.

Jesus Christ that sentence explains so much.

 

Get thee back to 1950.   

 

Those delicate pretty little women things must be protected at all times dare they see the flash of a man's belly or hairy legs.       Men should be allowed to be men in a man's only environment free to have with their tackle hanging out whenever they feel like it. 

 

God forbid they have to share a space together - what has the world come to.  

 

Just out of curiosity oh prudish one, explain what on earth would you do with a transgender or non-binary person in your world.   Where exactly are they supposed to go to get changed or use the toilet.  

Edited October 11, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[nikki-red]

As in the mixed public toilets discussion theres no issue because there will still be cubicles.
Maybe we should ban mixed swimming sessions too, as everyone in the pool is basically swimming about in their underwear! 

[Lex Luthor]

4 hours ago, Daven said:

All hospital wards are essentially mixed sex wards but have different bays for male and female unless it is an acute/ critical care area where males and females are together in the same space for obvious reasons.

From my own experience very few people would, when asked, care that they were in a mixed sex environment.

Yes, I did mean bays actually, rather than wards.

 

The problem with asking patients whether they mind a, b, or c, is that many patients, especially the elderly, don't want to make waves, so give the answers they believe staff want to hear.  It's not just the elderly either.  

 

It's similar to my own experience, when people are asked if they have a preference for carers of the same gender.  Many will say they don't mind, and then later, when they realise how this does affect them, they say they would prefer carers of their own gender after all.