Scotland And Independence.

[hauxwell]

if Scotland did become independent it would be interesting to know how it would be sorted and how many years it would take.   There would be trade deals to sort out, crossing the boarder from  England to Scotland, the military and could an independent Scotland keep the pound?  

It will be interesting to see what the SNP will do next to get their independence.  

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

[Dromedary]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

Do you really want to make the Scots wait another 33 years, before granting them a right to self-determination, then?

But it's not about granting them the right to self determination but granting them the right (under law) to hold a referendum to determine first if the majority of voters want the right to self determination, a totally different matter.  That is democracy for you as it also has to abide by the law, although as in all referendums the results are not legally binding unless incorporated into the act that issues the right for a referendum anyway.

 

Edited November 24, 2022 by Dromedary
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[L00b]

14 hours ago, Dromedary said:

But it's not about granting them the right to self determination but granting them the right (under law) to hold a referendum to determine first if the majority of voters want the right to self determination, a totally different matter.  That is democracy for you as it also has to abide by the law, although as in all referendums the results are not legally binding unless incorporated into the act that issues the right for a referendum anyway.

 

You seem to be confusing the right to self-determination, for its implementing mechanism.

 

Without that mechanism, there is no right, since it cannot be expressed (one way or the other irrespective).

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by L00b

[hauxwell]

We did give Scotland an independent vote. Spain didn’t give Catalonia one. I’m sure the Catalan Parliament will be watching Scotland very closely in the future. 

At the next General Election it wouldn’t surprise me if the SNP puts a footnote at the bottom of the ballot paper asking  the people if they want independence and to tick yes or no.  

 

 

 

[RollingJ]

7 minutes ago, hauxwell said:

We did give Scotland an independent vote. Spain didn’t give Catalonia one. I’m sure the Catalan Parliament will be watching Scotland very closely in the future. 

At the next General Election it wouldn’t surprise me if the SNP puts a footnote at the bottom of the ballot paper asking  the people if they want independence and to tick yes or no.  

 

 

 

Don't think that is allowed.

 

And in any case, the SNP don't issue the ballot papers.

Edited November 25, 2022 by RollingJ
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[Axe]

19 hours ago, L00b said:

Do you really want to make the Scots wait another 33 years, before granting them a right to self-determination, then?

 

Between 20 and 30 years which is the length of a generation will suffice.  Roughly 50% of Scots don't want another referendum at all because they don't want Scotland to leave the UK.  It's wrong for the SNP to behave as they do by causing division. 

[L00b]

40 minutes ago, Axe said:

Between 20 and 30 years which is the length of a generation will suffice.

Oh, how generous of you 😏

 

40 minutes ago, Axe said:

Roughly 50% of Scots don't want another referendum at all because they don't want Scotland to leave the UK. 

How do you know (all) that?

[RollingJ]

Just now, L00b said:

Oh, how generous of you 😏

 

Nice 'edit' @L00b😄

[L00b]

48 minutes ago, Axe said:

 It's wrong for the SNP to behave as they do by causing division. 

The SNP are implementing their manifesto. Every single SNP MP, Councillor, etc. has been elected -since day one of that party- on a manifesto/platform of seeking independence.
 

They are not ‘causing division’, they are the political embodiment of the Scottish sentiment for independence. Whether that sentiment is a majority or not…we can’t know, since you want to continue denying them the opportunity.

 

That said…you checked how many SNP MPs there are, lately? 😉

5 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Nice 'edit' @L00b😄

Dang, and now you’ve ruined my last one! 🙄

 

😂

Edited November 25, 2022 by L00b

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, L00b said:

 

Dang, and now you’ve ruined my last one! 🙄

 

😂

Good! 😄