Strikes On Public Transport To Be Made Illegal

[Anna B]

5 minutes ago, 26b-6 said:

Mass disobedience.   Don't pay parking fines, TV license etc etc Do absolutely nothing!

Nice idea, but if you can't even get ordinary people to support the strikes of their fellow workers, you aren't going to have much luck with this.

[RollingJ]

10 minutes ago, geared said:

That problem was fixed in London by making everything Oyster.

 

I don't know why a similar system can't be rolled out everywhere else?  

Because in London you have ONE operator (TfL) who control all bus routes/times &c, and then invites tenders from bus companies to run the service - so all revenue goes direct to them, and they pay the bus company the agreed tender.

 

In the rest of the country, you have independent operators , how do you expect the system to work in these areas?

[Pettytom]

3 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Because in London you have ONE operator (TfL) who control all bus routes/times &c, and then invites tenders from bus companies to run the service - so all revenue goes direct to them, and they pay the bus company the agreed tender.

 

In the rest of the country, you have independent operators , how do you expect the system to work in these areas?

I can buy a ticket from First, to use on a TM bus, or a Stagecoach tram.

 

It can’t be too difficult to fully integrate the ticket system.

 

However, you are right, a single operator would be preferable 

[RollingJ]

3 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I can buy a ticket from First, to use on a TM bus, or a Stagecoach tram.

 

It can’t be too difficult to fully integrate the ticket system.

 

However, you are right, a single operator would be preferable 

Yes , you can. A Travelmaster ticket. Try using a Stagecoach ticket on TM or First - won't work.

 

To 'fully integrate' the system as you suggest would need just one operator - like in London - but that ain't going to happen. Unfortunately, I'm only aware of one other area in the country where 99% of the bus companies kind of co-operate to try and make life easier for the travelling public, but even there you can be caught out if you don't check the small print.

[Pettytom]

17 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Yes , you can. A Travelmaster ticket. Try using a Stagecoach ticket on TM or First - won't work.

 

To 'fully integrate' the system as you suggest would need just one operator - like in London - but that ain't going to happen. Unfortunately, I'm only aware of one other area in the country where 99% of the bus companies kind of co-operate to try and make life easier for the travelling public, but even there you can be caught out if you don't check the small print.

A citywide day ticket costs a fiver and allows travel on all buses and trams, regardless of operator.

 

I presume that the money from these tickets is distributed in a way that the operators find acceptable. So, it should be possible to have an integrated ticketing system.

[RollingJ]

2 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

A citywide day ticket costs a fiver and allows travel on all buses and trams, regardless of operator.

 

I presume that the money from these tickets is distributed in a way that the operators find acceptable. So, it should be possible to have an integrated ticketing system.

Your presumption is correct - all SHEFFIELD operators are covered, because they have all signed up to the voluntary 'Buses for Sheffield' initiative .

The scheme is operated by Travelmaster - a separate company -  and they recompense each operator according to whatever is agreed in that initiative. That's as far as it goes. So you have an integrated system - of sorts.

[Pettytom]

1 minute ago, RollingJ said:

Your presumption is correct - all SHEFFIELD operators are covered, because they have all signed up to the voluntary 'Buses for Sheffield' initiative .

The scheme is operated by Travelmaster - a separate company -  and they recompense each operator according to whatever is agreed in that initiative. That's as far as it goes. So you have an integrated system - of sorts.

Indeed.

 

The point that I’m stumbling towards is that if they can do day  tickets across operators, surely it is possible to do tap in and out services in the same way, using contactless cards. 
 

That would encourage me to use the buses more. Knowing the most I will pay on any day is a fiver would certainly get me out of my car more often.

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, Pettytom said:

Indeed.

 

The point that I’m stumbling towards is that if they can do day  tickets across operators, surely it is possible to do tap in and out services in the same way, using contactless cards. 
 

That would encourage me to use the buses more. Knowing the most I will pay on any day is a fiver would certainly get me out of my car more often.

Slightly more complicated - that would involve a BIG investment in back-office technology for each operator, and if say First backed out of Sheffield operations and another company took over, they would have to integrate  their system, which may not be compatible.

[Bargepole23]

On 16/12/2019 at 11:47, *_ash_* said:

A key difference with buses, is that up north, not having a conductor means buses are slow. Major arterial routes would be much better, if they didn't stop for 10 mins at each stop while people pay with 1ps (it seems)

 

(though I'm going a little off topic there)

 

 

Yep. Buses stopping are the real reason major arterial routes are clogged with traffic. Either that or the thousands of single passenger cars....

[*_ash_*]

1 hour ago, Bargepole23 said:

Yep. Buses stopping are the real reason major arterial routes are clogged with traffic. Either that or the thousands of single passenger cars....

I'm not sure if I've misunderstood, or you have.

 

What I was meaning is that with conductors on arterial routes, the buses would run faster, and this would make them more appealing.

 

Earlier today in taxi, I was queueing on Glossop Road (just past Clarkhouse Junction), and since I was sat in traffic, I watched a 120, and there must have been 50 customers at the stop. I was aiming for the B Rd, which was jammed, in 15 minutes, this bus was still there checking everyone on.

 

This for me, is the failure of getting buses. In london, they stop, 10 seconds, they're off. (though they do have more doors, so wouldn't be this quick in Sheff)

 

I don't think Sheffield is ready for Oyster with different companies etc. But if main routes have conductors, the bus can stop, open doors, let everyone on, then get going.

 

Of course, not all simple, as private companies don't want to pay conductors.  How much pollution that bus sat there for 15 mins + (was still there when I got on B Rd), so perhaps instead of CAZ charge of £50 per day per bus, this could be spend on finding a compromise with standing buses?

 

 

I tried quote 2 posts but it doesn't work, but this also links and replies to into the post earlier post#20 by @geared