Bus Fares Up Again,Why?

[dutch]

11 hours ago, Retro Queen said:

I am not disputing that. I am saying why did it take an hour for the next bus to turn up?

You are right. When one of these once a hour busses falls out of service they should get one from a busy line to come and sit in to fill that gap as soon as possible. A 75 or 76 that is at end of its line near the dore area for example.

When a bus falls out of service where there are five or six a hour that is nowhere near as bad as someone waiting for nothing for a hour.

Personally I would have called a taxi before playing roulette waiting for a bus one hour.

Edited February 21, 2020 by dutch

[Resident]

7 hours ago, dutch said:

You are right. When one of these once a hour busses falls out of service they should get one from a busy line to come and sit in to fill that gap as soon as possible. A 75 or 76 that is at end of its line near the dore area for example.

When a bus falls out of service where there are five or six a hour that is nowhere near as bad as someone waiting for nothing for a hour.

Personally I would have called a taxi before playing roulette waiting for a bus one hour.

So how is the driver of that 76 meant to know what time he's meant to be on the replaced service? What happens when his duty ends for his break/end of day but the bus is mid-route because of the change. 

 

It's not as simple as just pulling the bus from another route 

[RollingJ]

Just to add to @Resident's post above, it would be very difficult to transfer a bus at Lowedges/Jordanthorpe (75/76) to cover say a bus on the 97/98 route from the same side of the city - they would have to run out of service to Woodseats Road bottom then to the 97/98 terminus, which even on a good day is around 15-20 minutes, and I personally wouldn't like to be the driver turning south at that junction.

[Retro Queen]

1 hour ago, Resident said:

So how is the driver of that 76 meant to know what time he's meant to be on the replaced service? What happens when his duty ends for his break/end of day but the bus is mid-route because of the change. 

 

It's not as simple as just pulling the bus from another route 

They should put more buses on these lacking service routes generally and take from the routes that have a bus every time you blink.

 

Once again my 98 has failed to turn up and I have just done a full day at work and can't get straight home. It's not acceptable.

[RollingJ]

2 minutes ago, Retro Queen said:

They should put more buses on these lacking service routes generally and take from the routes that have a bus every time you blink.

 

Once again my 98 has failed to turn up and I have just done a full day at work and can't get straight home. It's not acceptable.

They won't do that @Retro Queen - despite claims to the contrary, some routes are 'protected' and can't lose capacity, even if the demand isn't there. Consequently, due to the current driver/serviceable fleet problems other routes have to suffer.

 

I haven't forgotten our earlier conversation, btw, just had personal things to do that have been taking priority.

[Retro Queen]

3 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

They won't do that @Retro Queen - despite claims to the contrary, some routes are 'protected' and can't lose capacity, even if the demand isn't there. Consequently, due to the current driver/serviceable fleet problems other routes have to suffer.

 

I haven't forgotten our earlier conversation, btw, just had personal things to do that have been taking priority.

But surely something needs to be done. Everyone in the city needs to get around. We don't all have cars.

 

My next bus has failed to turn up now, this is two in a row. I wouldn't mind if they were every ten minutes but this is half an hour service so two missing means one full hour between buses. I keep putting in complaints to First but nothing gets done.

 

I am sitting in a cafe again keeping warm while waiting for the bus. This is fine as I like cafes and they are part of my social life but I was going straight home from work tonight and I am delayed due to the bus service. Its getting very stressful. What do we have to do? I appreciate your help and concern but what can I do short of moving to a better bus route and I don't want to do that as I only moved a year ago and I like where I live.

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, Retro Queen said:

But surely something needs to be done. Everyone in the city needs to get around. We don't all have cars.

 

My next bus has failed to turn up now, this is two in a row. I wouldn't mind if they were every ten minutes but this is half an hour service so two missing means one full hour between buses. I keep putting in complaints to First but nothing gets done.

 

I am sitting in a cafe again keeping warm while waiting for the bus. This is fine as I like cafes and they are part of my social life but I was going straight home from work tonight and I am delayed due to the bus service. Its getting very stressful. What do we have to do? I appreciate your help and concern but what can I do short of moving to a better bus route and I don't want to do that as I only moved a year ago and I like where I live.

I agree totally that 'something needs to be done', but what? We obviously suffer the same problems at this side of the city too - and I have a complaint in with First on a specific route/running board question, to which I have been promised a response by 28/02.

 

As you say, we don't all have cars, and when three buses in a row fail to run, it is beyond a joke. It has come to the point now that if I have a booked train to catch I have to walk (15 minutes) to the local station and spend up to an hour at Sheffield Midland to ensure I catch it - ludicrous!

 

I'll try and get back on the case with Olive Grove, but I'm currently busy with family business.

[Retro Queen]

1 hour ago, RollingJ said:

I agree totally that 'something needs to be done', but what? We obviously suffer the same problems at this side of the city too - and I have a complaint in with First on a specific route/running board question, to which I have been promised a response by 28/02.

 

As you say, we don't all have cars, and when three buses in a row fail to run, it is beyond a joke. It has come to the point now that if I have a booked train to catch I have to walk (15 minutes) to the local station and spend up to an hour at Sheffield Midland to ensure I catch it - ludicrous!

 

I'll try and get back on the case with Olive Grove, but I'm currently busy with family business.

Which bus route do you live on? It is getting beyond a joke. Its getting where its stressful just thinking about getting from A to B. I used to live on the 83 route which is good as it has both First and Stagecoach and the buses are about every fifteen minutes during the day. I still prefer where I live now though, I just wish the buses were better.

 

Thanks for looking into it, I appreciate family business has to come first.

 

[RollingJ]

@Retro Queen I'm at the opposite end of the 97/98 route to you. The only other route we have to town is the Bakewell-Sheffield Interchange 218 but as that now misses out a massive chunk of the A621 road to Sheffield centre it is not a real option unless you only need the city centre.

 

 

[Resident]

3 hours ago, Retro Queen said:

They should put more buses on these lacking service routes generally and take from the routes that have a bus every time you blink.

 

I appreciate its not acceptable but where are these extra buses coming from? 

 

They cost anywhere from 190k to 270k depending on model and features. 

 

Looking at recent filings, First South Yorkshire isn't making half of one new bus in terms of profit and has made losses in previous years.