Remembering The Holocaust.

[mort]

The personal attacks can cease. If you're going to make a point do it without attacking other members. 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Or Iraq, Myanmar, arguably China as well. Other more recent genocides include Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia, Darfur, East Timor, Cambodia, all in your lifetime. That list isn't anywhere near complete.

 

Genocide didn't stop in 1945.

X This. Its happening daily somewhere. (Dont want to minorize  holocaust and suffering by any means)

25 years ago before all **** storm in former Yugoslavia, my father used to said :

" No way its gonna be war. War,holocaust. genocide is thing of the past, those are modern, civilised times".."

Well, he was so wrong. 

I bet the same sentence has been said all over Africa,Asia,Europe, Middle East,  South America.

 

That guy in upper comment is probably trolling, but he is right in a part that nationalistic, xenophobic, holocaust deniers 

even openly fascists parties are in power in some countries of EU 

 

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Almost the posts on this thread miss the point in post #1. The 'Holocaust' (Shoah) was uniquely targeting only one group on grounds only of religious affiliation or descent. It was a unique attempt at obliteration. Yes, many other minorities were targeted and suffered too. But none of the posters' counter-posts address that unique targeting and- in common with most modern Governments and pressure groups- they try to conflate it with other racist or political motives and attacks deliberately in order to diminish it.

[tinfoilhat]

1 minute ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Almost the posts on this thread miss the point in post #1. The 'Holocaust' (Shoah) was uniquely targeting only one group on grounds only of religious affiliation or descent. It was a unique attempt at obliteration. Yes, many other minorities were targeted and suffered too. But none of the posters' counter-posts address that unique targeting and- in common with most modern Governments and pressure groups- they try to conflate it with other racist or political motives and attacks deliberately in order to diminish it.

No I don't.

[Halibut]

56 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Almost the posts on this thread miss the point in post #1. The 'Holocaust' (Shoah) was uniquely targeting only one group on grounds only of religious affiliation or descent. It was a unique attempt at obliteration. Yes, many other minorities were targeted and suffered too. But none of the posters' counter-posts address that unique targeting and- in common with most modern Governments and pressure groups- they try to conflate it with other racist or political motives and attacks deliberately in order to diminish it.

The Holocaust and the other tragedies/genocides/conflicts/attempted genocides/wars that others have referred to have one major factor in common though, do they not Jeffrey?

 

They were allowed to happen because of 'othering' - the process by which people become convinced that the people the violence is directed at are 'the others' - the ones whose lives are of lesser value, who it becomes easy to blame all our woes upon.

 

I firmly believe that each and every one of us has the responsibility to challenge this 'othering' whenever we see it happening - for example, as someone mentioned further up the thread, the 'war on terror' - which turned into the widespread demonisation of Muslims - and the rise in right wing anti immigration rhetoric ( in which our present government is deeply implicit) which has led to a major increase in violence against minorities and the fact that right wing terror is now the largest threat facing our country.

[BobOfRoth]

3 hours ago, Halibut said:

The Holocaust and the other tragedies/genocides/conflicts/attempted genocides/wars that others have referred to have one major factor in common though, do they not Jeffrey?

 

They were allowed to happen because of 'othering' - the process by which people become convinced that the people the violence is directed at are 'the others' - the ones whose lives are of lesser value, who it becomes easy to blame all our woes upon.

 

I firmly believe that each and every one of us has the responsibility to challenge this 'othering' whenever we see it happening - for example, as someone mentioned further up the thread, the 'war on terror' - which turned into the widespread demonisation of Muslims - and the rise in right wing anti immigration rhetoric ( in which our present government is deeply implicit) which has led to a major increase in violence against minorities and the fact that right wing terror is now the largest threat facing our country.

I agree with pretty much all of that apart from the last bit Ive put in bold.

 

[Halibut]

8 hours ago, BobOfRoth said:

I agree with pretty much all of that apart from the last bit Ive put in bold.

 

Apologies - an error on my part; what I should have said is that it's the fastest growing terrorism threat, according to Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu the head of Britains counter - terror police            -       https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/terror-attack-plots-uk-far-right-wing-extremism-threat-met-police-neil-basu-a9112046.html

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Halibut said:

The Holocaust and the other tragedies/genocides/conflicts/attempted genocides/wars that others have referred to have one major factor in common though, do they not Jeffrey?

 

They were allowed to happen because of 'othering' - the process by which people become convinced that the people the violence is directed at are 'the others' - the ones whose lives are of lesser value, who it becomes easy to blame all our woes upon.

 

I firmly believe that each and every one of us has the responsibility to challenge this 'othering' whenever we see it happening - for example, as someone mentioned further up the thread, the 'war on terror' - which turned into the widespread demonisation of Muslims - and the rise in right wing anti immigration rhetoric ( in which our present government is deeply implicit) which has led to a major increase in violence against minorities and the fact that right wing terror is now the largest threat facing our country.

All these events have one thing in common. Before the genocide, before the war and all of that, 

there were warmongers fuelling hate, repeating their lies over and over again, marking the scapegoats.

In exactly the same way as that **** Hopkins and  wannabe Mosley - Nigel.

 

[BobOfRoth]

2 hours ago, croat77 said:

All these events have one thing in common. Before the genocide, before the war and all of that, 

there were warmongers fuelling hate, repeating their lies over and over again, marking the scapegoats.

In exactly the same way as that **** Hopkins and  wannabe Mosley - Nigel.

 

Are you saying he is a Nazi or something?

[Halibut]

4 hours ago, croat77 said:

All these events have one thing in common. Before the genocide, before the war and all of that, 

there were warmongers fuelling hate, repeating their lies over and over again, marking the scapegoats.

In exactly the same way as that **** Hopkins and  wannabe Mosley - Nigel.

 

Exactly croat77

2 hours ago, BobOfRoth said:

Are you saying he is a Nazi or something?

Well he's definitely made a strong contribution to the upsurge in hate we've towards immigrants has he not?