Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[Longcol]

4 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The June 2016 EU referendum was the biggest anti-capitalist vote in UK history, if not the West.

 

No wonder those who voted Leave were subjected to such hatred and abuse by the capitalist establishment and it's supporters.

Strange that droves of capitalist Tories voted for Brexit - and how the Tory press abused "remoaners".

[Car Boot]

11 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Adequate food.

 

There will be adequate food.

 

I was in Czechoslovakia in the early 80s. They were anti-capitalist and had “adequate food”.  

There was much wisdom in the former Socialist Republic, sadly now lost.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Car Boot

[L00b]

12 hours ago, retep said:

Will do better in a home market.

How? Are they immune to basic economics?

[Pettytom]

2 hours ago, Car Boot said:

There was much wisdom in the former Socialist Republic, sadly now lost.

Adequate food though.

 

Its not much of an aspiration.

[retep]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

How? Are they immune to basic economics?

They won't have competition from foreign farmers and cheap imports.

[altus]

22 minutes ago, retep said:

They won't have competition from foreign farmers and cheap imports.

Even if we don't get a deal with the EU government is planning on waiving customs checks and tariffs on imports. Under WTO rules, that means we'll have to remove any customs checks and tariffs we currently do/have on other, non-EU countries. UK farmers will have more competition than they do now, not less.

[retep]

9 minutes ago, altus said:

Even if we don't get a deal with the EU government is planning on waiving customs checks and tariffs on imports. Under WTO rules, that means we'll have to remove any customs checks and tariffs we currently do/have on other, non-EU countries. UK farmers will have more competition than they do now, not less.

Unless we eat our own produce, even foreign business is cottoning on,

"

COMMITTED TO BRITISH FOOD AND FARMING

We have been a part of the British market for the last 25 years, and in this time have built long lasting supplier relationships, enabling local businesses to grow with us and continually expanding our British sourcing.

We are committed to investing in the British food and farming economy and championing British farmers. This is evident through our endorsement of the NFU’s (National Farmers Union) Back British Farming Charter and Fruit and Veg Pledge. Being part of the world's biggest retail network means that we are able to broaden our suppliers’ market and promote the best of British produce.

https://corporate.lidl.co.uk/sustainability/supplier-relationships

 

"Needless to say, we are committed to supporting British farmers, growers and suppliers. But don’t take our word for it. Suppliers voted Aldi the most compliant Supermarket with the Groceries Supply Code of Practice (GSCOP) for the sixth year running in the Grocery Code Adjudicators (GCA) 2019 Annual Survey.

https://www.aldi.co.uk/british-quality

[Car Boot]

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

Adequate food though.

 

Its not much of an aspiration.

Adequate food is a wonderful aspiration for a happy, healthy population. 

 

The people of the Socialist Republic were healthier than many people in the West.

[Pettytom]

55 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Adequate food is a wonderful aspiration for a happy, healthy population. 

 

The people of the Socialist Republic were healthier than many people in the West.

To go from plentiful food to adequate food would be a gross failure of Brexit.

 

Would you not agree?

 

ETA On average, Czech men live ten years longer now than they did in the 80s.

1 hour ago, retep said:

Unless we eat our own produce, even foreign business is cottoning on,

 

Food currently available on my two allotments, one poly tunnel and a heated greenhouse.

 

Cabbage. Sprouts. Leeks. Parsnip. Chard.

In store I have potatoes, squash, frozen raspberries and frozen tomato sauce.

 

That’s it.

 

Bon appetit.

 

I really don’t see how we justify impoverishing our food choices by only eating what grows here.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Pettytom

[L00b]

2 hours ago, retep said:

They won't have competition from foreign farmers and cheap imports.

They certainly will, unless your government enforces full customs and tariffs from 1st January 2021.

 

But on that last front, it was recently revealed that only around 10% of the 50,000 customs officers required for that particular job, has been trained and is ready...and the private sector is busy poaching from that 10% with government grant funds (FT last month).

 

The UK is not self-sufficient for food, by a very long shot. That's not news, and hardly contentious.

 

You quote Aldi, but only 40% of their fresh produce is British. Lidl claims that "2 out of every 3 products in their permanent range is from a British supplier", but that's not the same as the products being British (British suppliers are perfectly capable of importing foodstuffs for Lidl UK), nor the same as all their products (how much of that 'permanent range' is fresh produce...if any of it?)

 

So given the above, the timescale in play, and the reasonable assumption that 60+m UK residents need to eat on a regular enough basis, short to medium term your pragmatic choice is between:

 

exposing your agrifood sector to unbridled overseas competition (and they certainly have much more to fear from non-EU competition, than from EU27 competition, even factoring geographical proximity) to keep food on UK tables; or

 

ration foodstuffs whilst the government bootstraps-subsidises the UK agrifood massively, on a scale not seen since the 1940s dig-for-victory war effort.

 

Unless Johnson BRINO's the UK at the 11th hour, just before he steps down and does a runner Cameron-style in early 2021 , of course.

 

You can quip, moan and one-line sloganeer it all you like. Them's your choices.

Edited November 24, 2020 by L00b