Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[Pettytom]

1 hour ago, Westie1889 said:

 

I don’t have a view on it either way as I don’t know enough about it and don’t like to make a judgement unless I have the facts, but it was interesting they were so adamant we would be safer if we left.

 

But you seem happy enough to repeat hearsay, presumably to influence others.

[altus]

1 hour ago, Westie1889 said:

The death penalty will never be brought back and no politician would seriously ever consider it. 
I would like to see any evidence that backs up the ‘whispers in the Home Office’ claim but pretty sure it doesn’t exist apart from on some  conspiracy site.

I have several friends who are high ranking Police officers in CID and the like, one was also head of statistics for 3 Midlands forces around the time of the referendum.

They were all very pro-leave for crime and security reasons, interestingly they also said that much of the EU cooperation was a waste of time with only 3 or 4 countries actually bothered replying to requests for information as they were meant to. I think they said Germany, Holland plus a couple of others.

The Eastern European nations where they sent the most requests never got back to them, they took that as a sign that they were happy to have their un-desirables over here and didn’t want them back (understandably.)

I don’t have a view on it either way as I don’t know enough about it and don’t like to make a judgement unless I have the facts, but it was interesting they were so adamant we would be safer if we left.

 

Given both the National Crime Agency and the National Police Chiefs Council have repeatedly warned of the consequences of not staying in Europol I'd say that your contacts' views may not be that accurate. Now we are about to be reduced to third country status access to information available via Europol will be both more limited and slower.

[hauxwell]

If MP’s had to vote to bring back the death penalty I suspect they would be given a free vote and not put under pressure by their leaders on how to vote, it would be a vote of conscience.  I can’t see many of them voting to reinstate hanging.

 

The only trouble is not many murderers are given whole life sentences, at some stage they will be eligible for parole. It’s the family’s of the victims who were murdered who serve the life sentence.  I think Government needs to look at that now we have got Brexit nearly sorted.  
 

 

[melthebell]

LOL, theyre already saying Boris' deal is a step back to rejoining the EU

 

 

[RollingJ]

23 minutes ago, melthebell said:

LOL, theyre already saying Boris' deal is a step back to rejoining the EU

 

 

Who?

[melthebell]

6 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Who?

Hardcore brextremists, apparently it's been started by a former labour MEP, Andre Walker's just been jibbering about it

 

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by melthebell

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

Hardcore brextremists, apparently it's been started by a former labour MEP, Andre Walker's just been jibbering about it

 

 

'Former Labour MEP' - failed unloved and desperate to get back on the gravy-train.

 

Andre Walker - never heard of him, but then I don't spend much time listening to talking heads - especially as most of them are empty.

[andyofborg]

1 hour ago, hauxwell said:

I'II think Government needs to look at that now we have got Brexit nearly sorted.  

There was nothing particularly stopping them doing that before Brexit.

 

There would need to be some sort of alternative for prisoners who become infirm to the point they are a danger to themselves, staff or other prisoners or in need of some sort of specialist or end of life care or who suffer from dementia which progresses to the point the person who committted the crime is no longer "there". 

 

Whether such prisoners are released, moved into the general care system or kept in some sort of non-prison but still secure establishment would need to be a decision of the parole board in conjunction with medics. 

57 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

'Former Labour MEP' - failed unloved and desperate to get back on the gravy-train.

 

Andre Walker - never heard of him, but then I don't spend much time listening to talking heads - especially as most of them are empty.

not sure he's using his head to talk

[hauxwell]

23 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

There was nothing particularly stopping them doing that before Brexit.

 

There would need to be some sort of alternative for prisoners who become infirm to the point they are a danger to themselves, staff or other prisoners or in need of some sort of specialist or end of life care or who suffer from dementia which progresses to the point the person who committted the crime is no longer "there". 

 

Whether such prisoners are released, moved into the general care system or kept in some sort of non-prison but still secure establishment would need to be a decision of the parole board in conjunction with medics. 

not sure he's using his head to talk

I could be wrong,  but I thought when Boris was first elected as PM he said it was something he was looking at, longer sentences for murder, or it could have been the Home Secretary.

I was going to say in my post that some prisoners should remain in prison unless they need 24 hours care.  As you say it would have to involve the parole board and medics to decide what’s to be done with them should they reach that stage.

[andyofborg]

Just now, hauxwell said:

I could be wrong,  but I thought when Boris was first elected as PM he said it was something he was looking at, longer sentences for murder, or it could have been the Home Secretary.

there is nothing wrong with either of them saying that, and it may have been related to the early release schemes. Most politicians say those sorts of things and put things like that in their manifestos. of course, they generally do nothing about it because once you start looking at it you find that it involves hard decisions and costs money.