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[harvey19]

3 minutes ago, m williamson said:

Is that so?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/evidence-police-in-belfast-colluded-with-loyalists-in-the-troubles-report-finds

 

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-01-15-explainer-british-collusion-in-northern-irelands-dirty-war/#:~:text=Files from the early 1970s,were going to loyalist paramilitaries.

 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03063968221134026

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/the-udr-a-potent-weapon-in-britain-s-dirty-war-in-northern-ireland-1.4846097

 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/margaret-thatcher-state-collusion-and-the-murder-of-pat-finucane/

 

You didn't bother to look too hard did you? Surprising for someone who goes on and on about reading a book in order to inform us. 

 

Heard of the murder of the solicitor Pat Finucane in his own home  in front of his wife and children? Read the bottom link which records that Brandon Lewis the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland acknowledged that there had been state collusion but despite that there would be no inquiry.

He did apologise to the Finucane family though, so that's alright isn't it?

 

This Bill is designed for the specific purpose of covering up the state murder of civilians, as simple as that.

You are completely wrong due to a biased attitude.

What about the overwhelming number of terrorist offences, will they all be investigated or any Southern Ireland collusion.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

You are completely wrong due to a biased attitude.

What about the overwhelming number of terrorist offences, will they all be investigated or any Southern Ireland collusion.

You should point out exactly what is wrong with his comment and then we can all judge.   it's too easy to say someone's biased    -    I think that you are biased.

No because the bill is going to cover the lot up. 

That's why we don't want the bill to cover anything up.

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Organgrinder

[m williamson]

3 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

You are completely wrong due to a biased attitude.

What about the overwhelming number of terrorist offences, will they all be investigated or any Southern Ireland collusion.

Yes they will!  That's what it means to continue to investigate, what do you think it means? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're making yourself look a fool.

 

I'm biased because I disagree with you? No, I disagree with you because you obviously know next to nothing about the situation other than reading a book that agrees with your prejudices.

 

You said   " There is no evidence of state collusion with terrorists "  There is ample proof of state collusion, but no one is being charged with it and that's how the government want it to be.

 

Brandon Lewis, British former Chairman of the Conservative Party,  Cabinet Minister and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland admitted state collusion and apologised to the Finucane's for the murder of their husband and father in front of them in their own home.

 

There is definitely someone biased here, it's you.

[Mister M]

"But...but...but....It wasn't supposed to be like this":

 

People smuggler says trafficking 'easier since Brexit' as he urges 'refugee' to make... - LBC

[Magilla]

Just now, Mister M said:

"But...but...but....It wasn't supposed to be like this":

 

People smuggler says trafficking 'easier since Brexit' as he urges 'refugee' to make... - LBC

Entirely predictable... and indeed, was predicted!

 

"Project Fear"

[Al Bundy]

46 minutes ago, Mister M said:

"But...but...but....It wasn't supposed to be like this":

 

People smuggler says trafficking 'easier since Brexit' as he urges 'refugee' to make... - LBC

"Simplistic and occasionally inaccurate information about migration is sometimes disseminated.".   Or summat.

 

But on the other hand it completely proves what lots, including Suella have been saying all along, that so many immigrants are spouting complete lies to gain acceptance into the UK. 

 

I am absolutely shocked to the core.

 

😮

 

So what's it to be, be angry about brexit but admit immigrants are telling porkies about being persecuted etc, or still have your head in the sand?

Edited October 1, 2023 by Al Bundy

[Jack Grey]

5 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

"Simplistic and occasionally inaccurate information about migration is sometimes disseminated.".   Or summat.

 

But on the other hand it completely proves what lots, including Suella has been saying, that so immigrants are spouting complete lies to gain acceptance into the UK. 

 

I am absolutely shocked to the core.

😮

If you are against stopping the boats then you support people smugglers who traffic people, drugs and weapons into the UK 

 

And when a boat sinks and people die....then its their blood on their hands 

 

They are enabling and encouraging those people to make the dangerous journey

 

Shame on them 🤔

Edited October 1, 2023 by Jack Grey

[Chekhov]

2 hours ago, L00b said:

Moreover, and after all, any trade/economic counter-arguments made by the Remain side of the debate on the basis of facts and logic were, both before and after the referendum, steadfastly shutdown by Leave-quoting useful idiots arguing that Brexit was about sovereignty, not the economy, and that taking the economic hit was worth achieving Brexit.

I speak as a Remainer, but, to me, if leaving the EU had meant we'd have done a Sweden during the pandemic I would have voted Leave.

However, ironically, we are out of the EU. yet followed the crowd (with suppressing society during Covid), whereas Sweden, an EU member, did not.

It seems being in the EU still gives a country plenty of sovereignty over what really matters.....

[altus]

12 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

But on the other hand it completely proves what lots, including Suella have been saying all along, that so many immigrants are spouting complete lies to gain acceptance into the UK.

Verifying their claims is what the asylum assessment process is for.

 

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So what's it to be, be angry about brexit but admit immigrants are telling porkies about being persecuted etc, or still have your head in the sand?

If you read the article you'll see the people smuggler is quoted as saying "Now England is out of Europe it is very good for us… no fingerprints," (my bold). That's referring to brexit cutting our access to the EU asylum seeker fingerprint database. If we still had access to that it would be much easier to identify and deport false asylum seekers.

[harvey19]

8 hours ago, m williamson said:

Yes they will!  That's what it means to continue to investigate, what do you think it means? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're making yourself look a fool.

 

I'm biased because I disagree with you? No, I disagree with you because you obviously know next to nothing about the situation other than reading a book that agrees with your prejudices.

 

You said   " There is no evidence of state collusion with terrorists "  There is ample proof of state collusion, but no one is being charged with it and that's how the government want it to be.

 

Brandon Lewis, British former Chairman of the Conservative Party,  Cabinet Minister and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland admitted state collusion and apologised to the Finucane's for the murder of their husband and father in front of them in their own home.

 

There is definitely someone biased here, it's you.

What was the state collusion details  you refer to not the general statement.

You are only looking on the surface instead of below them.

For someone who has only travelled through N. Ireland very briefly you seem to be an expert on what happened there.

Look how how many murders , bombings and other serious crimes were committed and then do you really believe they will all be investigated.

As you brushed aside my relevant comments that the army etc. kept details of who did what, who was where etc. These can be used in an investigation. Terrorist organisations (from all sides ) did not keep records and will not cooperate with the forces of law and order.

Do you really think there is credible evidence after all these years.

What you are advocating will only continue the pain, division, and distrust.

A new start is needed and a line drawn under the troubles however painful that may be.

I appreciate you feel strongly about a united Ireland and quote events from 100 years ago but you can not ignore events from 50 years ago.

 

Reading unbiased books give one an insight into real events not romanticised viewpoints.

Have you read any serious books on the troubles or confined yourself to the 1920 era ?

The book I recommended to you is not biased but illustrates the reality of what was happening to real people rather than just statistics.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by harvey19