Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[m williamson]

1 hour ago, El Cid said:

Would anyone admit it, do facts still exist? Counterfactual, is that a new word?

 

https://www.statista.com/topics/3154/brexit-and-the-uk-economy/#editorsPicks

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/tax-revenue-Brexit/

 

Full Fact seem to have only done one fact check per year on Brexit, its almost like they dont want to know the facts, or perhaps we all know Brexit was negative for the UK.

As someone rightly said " There are lies, damn lies and statistics " basically you can prove what you want by choosing your numbers specifically to provide substance to your argument.

I have to admit to having done it on a couple of occasions when employed in management. However, when I ran my own business I quickly came to realise that massaging  facts is of no benefit whatsoever in the real world. Reality is an unforgiving fact.

 

Anyone still under the impression that Brexit was good for the country overall shouldn't be allowed out without supervision.

 

 

[altus]

Another brexit bonus - New post-Brexit tariff to apply to UK cars going to Canada:

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From Monday, any cars the UK exports to Canada will face an additional 6% tariff, or tax.

The change comes after a post-Brexit agreement to continue EU trading terms expired without a new deal.

 

The new tariffs are determined by whether the UK products exported to Canada use EU parts and materials.

 

Limits, which had been waived, will now apply, meaning that certain exports, including cars, will not qualify for zero-tariff trade.

 

In 2023, 1.3% of British-built cars were exported to Canada, making it the UK's eighth largest market, according to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), which represents the UK car industry.

 

The car industry has expressed its concern, especially as there appears no timetable for a resumption of discussions.

 

How many other trade deals that rolled-over with the terms we had as part the EU are also time limited and need renegotiating?

[geared]

There's zero chance any further negotiations are going to happen before the next election.  It'll be 2025 at the very earliest, and that's if anyone actually wants to be bothered talking to us.

[Axe]

15 hours ago, altus said:

Another brexit bonus - New post-Brexit tariff to apply to UK cars going to Canada:

 

How many other trade deals that rolled-over with the terms we had as part the EU are also time limited and need renegotiating?

1.3% of British Car Exports is only a very small number. 

 

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Following Brexit and the departure from the EU's trading system in 2021, the UK has been trying to strike trade deals with countries around the world.

This is the first time the UK has formally suspended talks with a potential trading partner since then.

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Since Brexit, the UK has signed trade deals and agreements in principle with about 70 countries and one with the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

[m williamson]

53 minutes ago, Axe said:

1.3% of British Car Exports is only a very small number. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

1.3% of Billions isn't a small number. Our car exports in 2022 were £22.4 Billion and accounted for 44.7% of total UK exports.

 

Did you read that link you provided regarding signing trade deals with 70 countries?  Because it stated that the majority were simply ' Roll Overs ' on the deals we'd previously agreed when we were EU members.

That means that in the event of the EU arranging  new terms on any particular one of those deals we will either have to accept it or negotiate a new deal.

If the new terms are more favourable to the EU members negotiating with a market of 448 million people it's doubtful the same terms would be offered to a marketplace of 68 million.  The trade deals we have negotiated separately have been worse than the ones we previously had

 

Cars are only one product that has taken a hit in terms of exports.  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-economy-cost-damage-b2491585.html

 

Brexit has had a negative effect on both the UK and the EU.  The EU has the advantage of 27 countries and a huge market place.

Putin must be absolutely delighted with all of this, it plays right into Russia's hands.

https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

 

Take note of paragraph number 6 in that link, either amazing incompetence or collusion.

[peak4]

21 minutes ago, m williamson said:

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Brexit has had a negative effect on both the UK and the EU.  The EU has the advantage of 27 countries and a huge market place.

Putin must be absolutely delighted with all of this, it plays right into Russia's hands.

https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

Take note of paragraph number 6 in that link, either amazing incompetence or collusion.

There's a number of people who've tried pointing this out, but with little traction in MSM
Putin's Brexit Coup    Bylines

 

Not just Russia of course.
It was in the interest of others in The US for the EU to be weakened and Brexit provided an ideal opportunity.
Read up on Koch, Mercer, &  the Atlas network etc.  Guardian
How US climate deniers are working with far-right racists to hijack Brexit for Big Oil  Le Monde

The Koch and Exxon Funded Think Tanks Supporting, and Being Courted by, Britain’s Brexit Campaigners   DeSmog

 

I would argue that the nature and style of the Brexit campaign, rather than Brexit itself, has led to much of the social division prevalent today.

Brexit as ‘politics of division’: social media campaigning after the referendum   T&F On-Line

Increasing criticism has also been levied at social media companies who have failed to prevent the spread of especially far-right disinformation.

The Brexit referendum and the election of Donald Trump in November 2016 were supported by powerful campaigners making use of new digital technologies such as social media bots, mass data-harvesting and targeted ads.

The hybridity of media platforms also enables the spread of not just mainstream legacy media content but also ‘alternative’ sources as a way of mobilising people and promoting ideas.

‘Dark money’ originating with US billionaires such as the Koch Brothers was found to lie behind the pro-Brexit alternative media platform spiked

(Leave.EU donor Arron Banks co-owns Westmonster, a UK-based news site modelled on Steve Bannon’s Breitbart which launched in 2017 .

Furthermore, the House of Commons Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee Report found evidence of Russian interference in the referendum, with anti-EU stories by Kremlin-aligned media circulating online at the time. While acknowledging that the actual impact on voting choices is hard to measure, the report makes clear that social media platforms potentially allow democratic processes to be manipulated by powerful internal and external actors.

 

How US billionaires are fuelling the hard-right cause in Britain    The Guardian  Long article with lots of links.

That Spiked magazine’s US funding arm received $300,000 from the Charles Koch Foundation suggests a hidden agenda

 

[rogets]

Why not have another referendum with the following question and answers

 

* Should we join the EU?

 

Answer 1 = Yes

 

Answer 2 = we need to make improvements from within

 

 

 

 

[Axe]

1 hour ago, m williamson said:

1.3% of Billions isn't a small number. Our car exports in 2022 were £22.4 Billion and accounted for 44.7% of total UK exports.

 

Did you read that link you provided regarding signing trade deals with 70 countries?  Because it stated that the majority were simply ' Roll Overs ' on the deals we'd previously agreed when we were EU members.

That means that in the event of the EU arranging  new terms on any particular one of those deals we will either have to accept it or negotiate a new deal.

If the new terms are more favourable to the EU members negotiating with a market of 448 million people it's doubtful the same terms would be offered to a marketplace of 68 million.  The trade deals we have negotiated separately have been worse than the ones we previously had

 

Cars are only one product that has taken a hit in terms of exports.  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-economy-cost-damage-b2491585.html

 

Brexit has had a negative effect on both the UK and the EU.  The EU has the advantage of 27 countries and a huge market place.

Putin must be absolutely delighted with all of this, it plays right into Russia's hands.

https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

 

Take note of paragraph number 6 in that link, either amazing incompetence or collusion.

Stop contributing nonsense.  Trade deals and agreements with 70 countries is a huge success.  

 

The whole World has suffered economically as a consequence of the Pandemic and the Russia invasion of the Ukraine. 

[Axe]

5 minutes ago, rogets said:

Why not have another referendum with the following question and answers

 

* Should we join the EU?

 

Answer 1 = Yes

 

Answer 2 = we need to make improvements from within

 

 

 

 

Only April Fools want another referendum. 

[altus]

2 hours ago, Axe said:

1.3% of British Car Exports is only a very small number.

You need to read it more carefully. It's 1.3% of British built cars, not 1.3% of those exported.

 

It's just another example of how brexit is making things harder for UK businesses - reducing UK GDP and the taxes paid to the government.