Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[L00b]

5 minutes ago, retep said:

Happy to take not so willing to give, as you will find out.

Well, you've been such an authority about the Irish so far...

6 minutes ago, retep said:

Fortunately I only rarely read the Guardian as it's supported by the EU and the righteous left leaners with nae brains.

Who's mentioned the Guardian now? Are you drunk?

[retep]

1 minute ago, L00b said:

Well, you've been such an authority about the Irish so far...

Who's mentioned the Guardian now? Are you drunk?

Who mentioned the Mail the Sun and the Express, not as drunk as some..

[Pettytom]

17 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Can somebody tell me why we no longer make British cars in Britain? (Apart from Morgans, serious question.)

Did you ever drive a BL car?

 

Serious answer

Edited November 24, 2020 by Pettytom

[Anna B]

12 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Did you ever drive a BL car?

 

Serious answer

Yes, I did. Had a second hand Rover a long time ago, can't remember what else. It got me from A to B which was all  that was required.

Seem to remember Rover company was sold for £1 or something like it, or did I imagine it?

 

Wouldn't now be a good time to tool up and start preparing to make a British electric car? 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Anna B

[ads36]

I remember when the 'new' Rover 75 came out.

 

this was their brand-new model, to take the brand into the 21st century. But they modelled it on my Grandad's slippers, and fitted it with a carriage clock and a walnut dash.

 

the adverts were filled with stately homes, yachts, golf courses, tweed and butlers.

 

the Britain i love doesn't belong in a museum, but that's where we keep putting ourselves - trying to make a living selling spitfire teatowels.

Edited November 24, 2020 by ads36

[Car Boot]

59 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Can somebody tell me why we no longer make British cars in Britain? (Apart from Morgans, serious question.)

We no longer manufacture British cars anymore Anna because of global political and economic trading blocs we signed up to, such as the EU, bringing in rules that forbid state aid of industry. Distorts the markets.

 

But moving labour from poorer parts of the EU to richer parts to keep down labour costs does NOT distort markets - according to the Mickey mouse European kangaroo Court of Justice.

 

You couldn't make it up. The entire idea behind the EU is to distort markets in favour of business.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Car Boot

[tinfoilhat]

4 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Nissan dismisses reports it is set to close its Sunderland plant

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-dismisses-reports-it-set-close-its-sunderland-plant-3045230

In any case since the EU referendum vote the global  motor industry has changed significantly with the fast change to electric vehicles. Also Japan and the EU have a new trade agreement meaning the factory in Sunderland is no longer has vital for Nissan to export vehicles to mainland EU countries.

I’ll take the report at face value, good news for Sunderland.

 

However the word salad is a bit more of problem. If Sunderland Nissan aren’t exporting vehicles to the EU - where are they exporting cars? And it’s not the exporting it’s the importing of parts. I’m sure you know about just-in-time manufacturing, and in the VW parts that arrive in their Wolfsburg plant are there for about 30 minutes before going directly to the production line. Nissans sadly will be sat  in a lorry park in Kent. I’m sure they’ve got a plan.

[Pettytom]

5 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We no longer manufacture British cars anymore Anna because of global political and economic trading blocs we signed up to, such as the EU, bringing in rules that forbid state aid of industry. Distorts the markets.

 

 

So, why can the German’s make cars, but we cannot?

Edited November 24, 2020 by Pettytom

[tinfoilhat]

4 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We no longer manufacture British cars anymore Anna because of global political and economic trading blocs we signed up to, such as the EU, bringing in rules that forbid state aid of industry. Distorts the markets.

 

But moving labour from poorer parts of the EU to richer parts to keep down labour costs does NOT distort markets - according to the Mickey mouse European kangaroo Court of Justice.

 

You couldn't make it up. The entire idea behind the EU is to distort markets in favour of business.

Please ignore that nonsense Anna. Poor management is the simple answer off the back decades of poor management and industrial strife. We are also very keen in this country on selling businesses for foreign money.

1 minute ago, Pettytom said:

So, why can the German’s make cars, but we cannot?

And the French. Spanish, Czech, Rumanian. Oh and the Swedish.

[altus]

14 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Nissan dismisses reports it is set to close its Sunderland plant

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-dismisses-reports-it-set-close-its-sunderland-plant-3045230

In any case since the EU referendum vote the global  motor industry has changed significantly with the fast change to electric vehicles. Also Japan and the EU have a new trade agreement meaning the factory in Sunderland is no longer has vital for Nissan to export vehicles to mainland EU countries.

It's worth noting that the only thing Nissan have denied is that a decision to close the plant has already been made. From that article:

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The firm has previously warned that the future of its Sunderland factory could be in doubt in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Global chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta told the BBC earlier this year that the EU was the biggest customer for vehicles built at Sunderland, with around 70 per cent of cars from there going to the EU.

And he said that a 10 per cent tariff - which would be the default World Trade Organisation rate in the event of no-deal - would mean such an arrangement was not viable.

Since the government are still negotiating with the EU, and there may be a last minute deal which would avoid the 10% tariffs, there's still a possibility that the plant will remain viable. It would be premature to make a decision to close a factory if the thing that might make it unviable hasn't happened yet and still might not happen.

 

In related news: No-deal Brexit would cost UK car industry £55bn, says analysis

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The UK automotive sector risks losing £55bn in manufacturing value within five years in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to new industry analysis.

British car production could drop below 1m cars a year if there is no deal, compared with more than 1.3m in 2019, because tariffs would make large parts of the UK business unviable, said forecasts commissioned by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, the industry lobby group.

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Industry executives have warned that a no-deal Brexit would jeopardise the future of UK plants. PSA Group has said it will only build its new Vauxhall Astra in the UK if there is a trade deal, while Nissan has said the business model of its Sunderland plant – the largest car factory in the UK – would be destroyed.

Nissan’s chief operating officer, Ashwani Gupta, last week reiterated that “obviously our UK business will not be sustainable” if there were no deal, in an interview with Reuters. However, the Japanese carmaker on Monday denied a report in German media that a decision to close the plant had already been made.

All of the UK’s large car manufacturers have foreign owners. The presence of Japanese and other European carmakers in the UK was based in large part on easy access to Europe’s single market, meaning that the industry sees any barriers to trade as damaging. The SMMT study, carried out by consultancy Auto Analysis, found that even a “bare bones” trade deal would cost the industry £14.1bn.