Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[RJRB]

Is anybody up for signing on to the fruit and veg crop picking course to be organised by Suella Braverman intended to make us the self sufficient nation touted by Brexit.

Good luck with that one and it would not make one iota of difference to the vast majority of immigrants who have no intention of becoming seasonal workers either.

[m williamson]

45 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

 

Don't be taken in by Brexit being used as an excuse.

Given a few more years and determination Brexit will prove to be a success, we may even be able to coax our new King into helping it along.

Brexit has cost this country Billions and caused chaos in our politics. in 2022 alone the UK had three Prime Ministers and four Chancellors.

We've had five PMs and six Chancellors since Brexit.

Among the Prime Ministers we had Liz Truss, the shortest serving PM of all time who managed to lose £30 Billion in her 45 days as PM.

Additionally we've lost all credibility as an honourable nation after a cabinet minister stood up in parliament and stated that we were prepared to break international law over an agreement that we had negotiated, agreed to and signed up to.

 

Credibility for honesty and competence no longer applies to this country. Those who have some affection for us feel sorry for us, those who have no affection for us are laughing at us.

All this has been brought about by Brexit. Anyone still trying to justify it is trying to polish a turd. 

[hackey lad]

9 minutes ago, m williamson said:

Brexit has cost this country Billions and caused chaos in our politics. in 2022 alone the UK had three Prime Ministers and four Chancellors.

We've had five PMs and six Chancellors since Brexit.

Among the Prime Ministers we had Liz Truss, the shortest serving PM of all time who managed to lose £30 Billion in her 45 days as PM.

Additionally we've lost all credibility as an honourable nation after a cabinet minister stood up in parliament and stated that we were prepared to break international law over an agreement that we had negotiated, agreed to and signed up to.

 

Credibility for honesty and competence no longer applies to this country. Those who have some affection for us feel sorry for us, those who have no affection for us are laughing at us.

All this has been brought about by Brexit. Anyone still trying to justify it is trying to polish a turd. 

Cobblers 

[Mister M]

1 minute ago, hackey lad said:

Cobblers 

Didn't the Conservatives promise to cut net migration - the difference between those entering and leaving the UK - to below 100,000

But it is expected to hit a record 700,000 this year.

 

Why do you think that is Hacks?

[hackey lad]

17 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Didn't the Conservatives promise to cut net migration - the difference between those entering and leaving the UK - to below 100,000

But it is expected to hit a record 700,000 this year.

 

Why do you think that is Hacks?

No argument about your migration point  mate . It’s just the last couple of paragraphs in that post .  I’m sick to death of people doing this country down. That’s the cobblers bit . 

[m williamson]

48 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Cobblers 

Please elucidate.  Perhaps you could start by pointing out the three most significant gains we have made by leaving the EU?

[L00b]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

No argument about your migration point  mate . It’s just the last couple of paragraphs in that post .  I’m sick to death of people doing this country down. That’s the cobblers bit . 

From an external perspective, it’s your successive governments since 2016 (and the closely-associated Tory infighting) that have been “doing your country down”.

 

For the rest of it, there may well be the two types of people which m Williamson mentioned in his post…but whether he’s correct or not irrespective, the vast majority of people -outside the UK, understand- are neither type, and simply long past caring. As in, neither feeling sorry, nor laughing.
 

The recent Coronation aside, the UK occasionally makes the news in Europe -in a positive way- for its strong support of Ukraine. And that’s the sum total of it, bar the odd Schadenfreude piece in the Spiegel.

 

It is that indifference which some British media commentators continually mistake for (or misrepresent as) ‘EU hostility’, but which is simply Europeans’ standard approach to whatever latest piece of exceptionalist policy the UK government of the time happens to be pushing (such as the recently-related Horizon programme participation, some posts earlier): you got exactly the Brexit you(-r government) wanted, negotiated for, brought home and trumpeted as gotten ‘done’.

Now, if it’s not that good (with the benefit of some hindsight by now) then sure, let’s talk about making it better…

 

…for the both of us: so, what do you want, and what are you putting on the table for it?

😉😄

[harvey19]

2 hours ago, m williamson said:

Brexit has cost this country Billions and caused chaos in our politics. in 2022 alone the UK had three Prime Ministers and four Chancellors.

We've had five PMs and six Chancellors since Brexit.

Among the Prime Ministers we had Liz Truss, the shortest serving PM of all time who managed to lose £30 Billion in her 45 days as PM.

Additionally we've lost all credibility as an honourable nation after a cabinet minister stood up in parliament and stated that we were prepared to break international law over an agreement that we had negotiated, agreed to and signed up to.

 

Credibility for honesty and competence no longer applies to this country. Those who have some affection for us feel sorry for us, those who have no affection for us are laughing at us.

All this has been brought about by Brexit. Anyone still trying to justify it is trying to polish a turd. 

I fully agree that the way has been implemented up to now is very poor that is why I said in a few years with determination it will be a success.

Everything takes time and with something as big as Brexit there will be problems and mistakes make but in time I am sure things will be sotted out.

Credibility and honesty must be questioned when the situation regarding illegal immigrants has not been sorted out. Laws and treaties can be changed if there is the will to do so.

My remark about the King intervening was a joke.

[harvey19]

3 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

 

In todays Star  on line newspaper there are photographs from 1977 and one of them is of Organgrinder Phil.

Thought you may be interested.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, hackey lad said:

No argument about your migration point  mate . It’s just the last couple of paragraphs in that post .  I’m sick to death of people doing this country down. That’s the cobblers bit . 

Instead of being sick to death of people doing the country down,   you should be sick to death of the government that's done it and is still carrying on doing more of it..

 

You are going to hear that message a lot more until this lot get round to sorting everything out.   When you don't like the message,  don't blame the message carrier who brought it.

 

Remember, the country was fine until the Tories agreed a Brexit referendum.   They brought that on themselves by blaming the  EU for everything that went wrong.