Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[Magilla]

US grabs majority of euro swaps trading after Brexit rift:

https://www.ft.com/content/70024181-4f24-45b8-a47e-33233caf28f4

"The UK market slumped to just 14 per cent, Osttra found. Before Brexit, Britain accounted for more than 70 per cent of the market."

 

...the gift that keeps on taking.

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Magilla

[Axe]

35 minutes ago, m williamson said:

The point is harvey until Brexiteers accept unequivocally that it was entirely the wrong thing to have done no real progress can be made.

 

Trying to excuse this disaster and persisting in believing in the second empire or whatever delusion they have is damaging and preventing facing facts and rectifying them as much as possible.

Rejoining the Single Market would be a major steap/.

Rejoining the single market would be a betrayal to democracy . It was made perfectly clear during the referendum campaign that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market.

[harvey19]

57 minutes ago, m williamson said:

The point is harvey until Brexiteers accept unequivocally that it was entirely the wrong thing to have done no real progress can be made.

 

Trying to excuse this disaster and persisting in believing in the second empire or whatever delusion they have is damaging and preventing facing facts and rectifying them as much as possible.

Rejoining the Single Market would be a major steap/.

We do not need to look back. We need to look forward. What is done is done.

It is that simple.

Regardless of whether Brexit was a mistake or not or whether it was badly implemented is history.

Motivation to succeed in the future is the way forward.

40 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Only by the break up of the UK as a result of Irish re-unification , or the UK re-joining the EU Single Market...

 

...these are the only paths that could lead to a removal of the border.

 

Indeed, economically Harvey's "wait an see" approach is more akin to hoping the cancer you've just been diagnosed with will cure itself...

 

...when it doesn't and you decide to finally take action... it's already over.

 

What a load of defeatist talk.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Axe said:

Rejoining the single market would be a betrayal to democracy . It was made perfectly clear during the referendum campaign that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market.

It would but,  the obvious way around that would be to have another referendum with all the same amount of hard feeling it would engender.

It was said, before we left,  that if, at a later date, we regretted leaving and wanted to rejoin,  we would not get terms as favourable as we previously had.

Bearing in mind that, our main problem was not the EU but our own politicians who didn't want to accept certain rulings,  water quality being one of them, it's hard to know what we can do.

We have always allowed our own politicians too much laxity and our present state is the result.

 

[Axe]

3 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

It would but,  the obvious way around that would be to have another referendum with all the same amount of hard feeling it would engender.

It was said, before we left,  that if, at a later date, we regretted leaving and wanted to rejoin,  we would not get terms as favourable as we previously had.

Bearing in mind that, our main problem was not the EU but our own politicians who didn't want to accept certain rulings,  water quality being one of them, it's hard to know what we can do.

We have always allowed our own politicians too much laxity and our present state is the result.

 

The last thing our country needs is another EU related referendum.  It is time for the whingers to grow up and accept the democratic choice their own people made.

[Magilla]

14 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

We do not need to look back. We need to look forward. What is done is done.

It is that simple.

You can't move forward by continuing the mistakes of the past.

 

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Regardless of whether Brexit was a mistake or not or whether it was badly implemented is history.

Indeed, the facts are in... Brexit is a failed concept.

 

It was always inevitably going to be, for a multitude of blindingly obvious reasons long discussed here.

 

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Motivation to succeed in the future is the way forward.

Hence the calls to begin the process of re-join, even if that means in limited ways at first.

 

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What a load of defeatist talk.

Given that's the best you can manage, clearly also... accurate.

 

6 minutes ago, Axe said:

The last thing our country needs is another EU related referendum.  It is time for the whingers to grow up and accept the democratic choice their own people made.

It is accepted, we have left.

 

That facts are in... the decision to do that was a mistake.

Edited May 19, 2023 by Magilla

[Guest]

Just now, Axe said:

The last thing our country needs is another EU related referendum.  It is time for the whingers to grow up and accept the democratic choice their own people made.

Another referendum would be divisive I agree and,  I don't think that will happen but,  It isn't about whingers at all,  it's about Brexit is a big failure and what are we going to do about it?

Let's face it,  Brexit isn't even completed yet. time passes by and nobody seems to have any ideas at all.  No good everyone sitting by their hard and fast convictions when it's not working.

 

[harvey19]

1 minute ago, Magilla said:

You can't move forward by continuing the mistakes of the past.

 

Indeed, the facts are in... Brexit is a failed concept.

 

It was always inevitably going to be, for a multitude of blindingly obvious reasons long discussed here.

 

Hence the calls to begin the process of re-join, even if that means in limited ways at first.

 

Not at all, just accurate.

I am amazed at how people only want to complain about the results of a democratic vote years ago  instead of trying to move forward.

I will repeat once again.  The past is the past. Let us find new ways to move forward.

Stop the continual repeating about what a mistake  Brexit was.

Try and motivate rather than complain about something you can not change is my way of thinking.

 

 

[Magilla]

3 hours ago, L00b said:

With the exception of the UK/NI sea border (which only arose because of Brexit, and which was unavoidable because of the GFA and the fact the Ireland was and remains an EU member state)…

 

…literally nothing out of your list has anything to do with EU membership, and all of it, has at all times been entirely within the scope of the government’s powers (edit: including before 2016).

Also, for the most part, Brexit has exacerbated all of these issues, there are less resources to tackle them as a result.

[harvey19]

2 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Another referendum would be divisive I agree and,  I don't think that will happen but,  It isn't about whingers at all,  it's about Brexit is a big failure and what are we going to do about it?

Let's face it,  Brexit isn't even completed yet. time passes by and nobody seems to have any ideas at all.  No good everyone sitting by their hard and fast convictions when it's not working.

 

Precisely, it is no good moaning about what a mistake Brexit was.

Positive, forward looking problem solving is needed.

1 minute ago, Magilla said:

Also, for the most part, Brexit has exacerbated all of these issues, there are less resources to tackle them as a result.

Defeatist talk again.