Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[geared]

and as a key issue in Brexit, it has quite clearly got much worse.

 

Things were supposed to get better, they have not.

Edited November 30, 2023 by geared

[Magilla]

30 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Irrational obsession with immigration? 

 

It's the number one concern of the nation and is in the news everyday

It is a result of the dishonesty of the government.

 

30 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Over a million people a year going to the UK 

The vast majority of immigrants are invited by the government... because the UK's economy is reliant on them.

 

Do you think, at this economic juncture, another massive hit to the economy would be welcome?

 

30 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

If you don't think it's a problem then stop moaning about the economy and the state of the NHS 

The vast majority of immigrants come to fill jobs, they pay tax like everyone else!

 

They're invited by the government and the government is responsible for delivering the services for all tax payers, they know the numbers... years in advance.

 

Immigrants are also young... they are not the major drain on the NHS, or the economy... quite the opposite...

 

...they're staffing it!

 

The massive spike in the "other" immigrants... a direct result of Brexit! 🙄

 

30 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

You can't have it both ways 

You also can't significantly reduce immigration without a massive hit to the economy, the NHS, and swathes of other public services and sectors of the economy... as you say, you can't have it both ways.

 

 

So... no Brexit benefits you can identify so far then... 🙄

Edited November 30, 2023 by Magilla

[Magilla]

1 hour ago, ads36 said:

it's all going so very well...

 

Rees Mogg has been opening his ridiculous face-hole again : 

 

"We don't need fruit pickers," he told the BBC, "If fruit can be grown more cheaply and more economically in foreign countries, we should import more fruit".

 

They didn't put that on the side of the bus.

Indeed... agriculture is slowly but surely going under the bus, along with any notion of UK food security.

 

In other news, those Brexit roll over Canada and Mexico deals... expire in April.

 

Rishi Sunak slows Mexico and Canada trade talks as he eyes pre-election UK/US pact:

https://www.politico.eu/article/rishi-sunak-slow-mexico-canada-trade-talks-pre-election-us-uk-pact/

UK firms’ access to Canadian and Mexican markets is set to expire in the coming months — and British negotiators were already stretched.

 

In favour of a deal that is, already, looking more than a little ropey.

[Jack Grey]

1 hour ago, Magilla said:

It is a result of the dishonesty of the government.

 

The vast majority of immigrants are invited by the government... because the UK's economy is reliant on them.

 

Do you think, at this economic juncture, another massive hit to the economy would be welcome?

 

The vast majority of immigrants come to fill jobs, they pay tax like everyone else!

 

They're invited by the government and the government is responsible for delivering the services for all tax payers, they know the numbers... years in advance.

 

Immigrants are also young... they are not the major drain on the NHS, or the economy... quite the opposite...

 

...they're staffing it!

 

The massive spike in the "other" immigrants... a direct result of Brexit! 🙄

 

You also can't significantly reduce immigration without a massive hit to the economy, the NHS, and swathes of other public services and sectors of the economy... as you say, you can't have it both ways.

 

 

So... no Brexit benefits you can identify so far then... 🙄

People on minimum wage do not pay tax.....or very little

 

They take out more than they put in and the vast majority will send the bulk of the money home 

 

How about getting the 5 million people on benefits to fill those jobs instead 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Jack Grey said:

Irrational obsession with immigration? 

 

It's the number one concern of the nation and is in the news everyday

 

Over a million people a year going to the UK 

 

It is for you,  not for the rest of us.

Not very often it makes front page lately.

Good job you don't own a newspaper though.

[Magilla]

48 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

People on minimum wage do not pay tax.....or very little

The ones the government is giving visa's/residency... i.e the huge bulk... need a minimum wage of £25,600 or higher to qualify.

 

There are some exceptions: if they have a job offer in a shortage occupation or have a PhD relevant to the job... still, must be more than £20,480.

 

The vast majority are paying tax, N.I, V.A.T etc

 

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They take out more than they put in and the vast majority will send the bulk of the money home

Was not the case, on balance, for EU nationals working in the UK pre-Brexit... the ones that buggered off and, in many cases, took their jobs with them as a result of it.

 

The ones you describe so typically above were largely the none-EU contingent... that proportion has increased as a result of Brexit.

 

48 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

How about getting the 5 million people on benefits to fill those jobs instead 

The vast majority of people who're able to work and are on benefits, have jobs!

 

The majority remaining are physically incapable of work. i.e disabled or sick.

 

The rest... would you want them looking after your mum in a care home?

 

Nope? Carousel then?

 

 

 

Any news on those Brexit benefits? 🙄

Edited November 30, 2023 by Magilla

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

People on minimum wage do not pay tax.....or very little

 

They take out more than they put in and the vast majority will send the bulk of the money home 

 

How about getting the 5 million people on benefits to fill those jobs instead 

Doesn't sound as though you really know whether they pay tax or not.

Are you sure there's 5 million on benefits and have you discounted all the severely disabled,  the pensioners,  and widows stuck with babies etc.

Sounds very much as if you're making it all up again.

Remember also,   just one little quirk of fate and you will be taking out much more than you've put in.  You're round about the  age for heart problems,  strokes,   cancer and kidney disease  yourself.

One never knows,  does one  -  especially if you don't know much to start with.

 

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[Jack Grey]

19 minutes ago, Magilla said:

The ones the government is giving visa's/residency... i.e the huge bulk... need a minimum wage of £25,600 or higher to qualify.

 

There are some exceptions: if they have a job offer in a shortage occupation or have a PhD relevant to the job... still, must be more than £20,480.

 

The vast majority are paying tax, N.I, V.A.T etc

 

Was not the case, on balance, for EU nationals working in the UK pre-Brexit... the ones that buggered off and, in many cases, took their jobs with them as a result of it.

 

The ones you describe so typically above were largely the none-EU contingent... that proportion has increased as a result of Brexit.

 

The vast majority of people who're able to work and are on benefits, have jobs!

 

The majority remaining are physically incapable of work. i.e disabled or sick.

 

The rest... would you want them looking after your mum in a care home?

 

Nope? Carousel then?

 

 

 

Any news on those Brexit benefits? 🙄

Firstly fruit pickers and carers don't earn £26,000 a year

 

Out of the 700,000 people who came here last year how many are doctors and architects?

 

And how many are working in Cafe Nero or an Amazon warehouse?

 

Then you contradict yourself by saying that people on minimum wage contribute but then you say that millions with jobs are on benefits

 

Which one is it?

 

16 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Doesn't sound as though you really know whether they pay tax or not.

Are you sure there's 5 million on benefits and have you discounted all the severely disabled,  the pensioners,  and widows stuck with babies etc.

Sounds very much as if you're making it all up again.

Remember also,   just one little quirk of fate and you will be taking out much more than you've put in.  You're round about the  age for heart problems,  strokes,   cancer and kidney disease  yourself.

One never knows,  does one  -  especially if you don't know much to start with.

 

Yes I'm sure there are some who need benefits

 

But come on....you know the vast majority are just work shy layabouts and baby machines

 

Just be honest FFS but you embarrass yourself when you look so naive 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Jack Grey

[Magilla]

33 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Firstly fruit pickers and carers don't earn £26,000 a year

Fruit pickers aren't immigrants, they go home afterwards.

 

They also don't get free access to public services.

 

The average carer salary in the United Kingdom is £24,375.

 

I'll wager the immigrants being tempted here by the government to do this work, are on the higher end of the scale, given their demand.

 

33 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Out of the 700,000 people who came here last year how many are doctors and architects?

Who knows, they're earning enough (in most cases) to pay tax, N.I, and certainly V.A.T on everything they buy.

 

33 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

And how many are working in Cafe Nero or an Amazon warehouse?

No idea... ask the government, they must have approved their right to work... and, of course, this just highlights there is a job that the economy needs that there are no indigenous to fill.

 

33 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Then you contradict yourself by saying that people on minimum wage contribute but then you say that millions with jobs are on benefits

 

Which one is it?

There is no contradiction. 🙄

 

There are millions of people with jobs, who also receive benefits.

I never claimed immigrants are the ones on minimum wage.

 

Your connection between immigrants and minimum wage... on balance, isn't based in fact.

 

 

Any news on those Brexit benefits yet... be honest?

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Magilla

[ads36]

2 hours ago, Jack Grey said:

How about getting the 5 million people on benefits to fill those jobs instead 

many of those people are already in work*.

 

most of those people don't live anywhere near the seasonal farm-jobs.

 

why should farmers have to deal with the few genuine shirkers?

 

etc.

 

(*we're using benefits to subsidise low pay/high rent = i'm paying taxes to support landlords. I'm unfashionably happy about capitalism, and i think we should have more of it - if landlords aren't making enough money, it's their problem)

Edited November 30, 2023 by ads36