Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[Axe]

5 hours ago, geared said:

It makes you wonder how many more aspects of pre-Brexit EU life we will look to regain.

 

Could easily end up back in Europe in all but name.

The EU countries will do more to gain lost British money but the UK are not going to rejoin all but in name.

 

3 hours ago, m williamson said:

My guess is that we'll rejoin the Single Market,  but in order to get it through it'll be named something else. The hardline Brexiteers are the type of people who are obsessed with British Exceptionalism. Those days are gone, they went with the end of empire but some like to live in the past, when we could send a gunboat.

Starmer has said that he won't reverse Brexit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-eu-labour-brexit-deal-brussels-b2413243.html

Newsflash Keir, that's not in your gift, all 27 EU member states have to agree if we ask to rejoin and Hungary would veto it, because Putin would tell them to.

Putin wanted Brexit because it weakens both the UK and the EU. https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

That worked out fine for Russian interests  and they will continue to interfere with the UK and EU member countries. Putin has an ally in Viktor Orbán and given the amount of money they've sunk into London I'm sure they have influential friends here as well.

 

 

No chance.

[m williamson]

2 hours ago, Axe said:

 

 

No chance.

Why not,? It's what the Tories heroine Margaret Thatcher would have wanted.  

https://bikebiz.com/biggest-fan-of-the-single-market-margaret-thatcher/

 

And Farage kept saying before the Referendum that the Norway option was a great idea. Norway are not in the EU but are in the Single Market.

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by m williamson

[Axe]

11 minutes ago, m williamson said:

Why not,? It's what the Tories heroine Margaret Thatcher would have wanted.  

https://bikebiz.com/biggest-fan-of-the-single-market-margaret-thatcher/

 

And Farage kept saying before the Referendum that the Norway option was a great idea. Norway are not in the EU but are in the Single Market.

 

Margaret Thatcher opposed the Maastrict Treaty.  That Question Time clip was in 2013 which was two years before Europe's migrant crisis started. Nigel Farage wanted an end of freedom of movement at the time of the EU referendum vote which meant leaving the single market.  Have you forgot about the Breaking Point  poster ?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Axe said:

Margaret Thatcher opposed the Maastrict Treaty.  That Question Time clip was in 2013 which was two years before Europe's migrant crisis started. Nigel Farage wanted an end of freedom of movement at the time of the EU referendum vote which meant leaving the single market.  Have you forgot about the Breaking Point  poster ?

Better remind us what happened to Nigel Farage in his lightening disappearing act and how his "Brexit"" party also vanished.

I don't suppose you recall his attempts to sit in Westminster when the British public said "thanks but no thanks"

Brexit is over and a proven failure and Farage hasn't convinced British politics to embrace him so why not let all yesterday's hero's ( only to you ) die gracefully as they've all inflicted enough damage on us.

 

[m williamson]

5 minutes ago, Axe said:

Margaret Thatcher opposed the Maastrict Treaty.  That Question Time clip was in 2013 which was two years before Europe's migrant crisis started. Nigel Farage wanted an end of freedom of movement at the time of the EU referendum vote which meant leaving the single market.  Have you forgot about the Breaking Point  poster ?

Margaret Thatcher opposed the Maastricht Treaty but she was a supporter of the Single Market, so much so that she played a significant part in the formation of the Single Market by personally selecting Lord Cockfield and sending him to Brussels as the UK commissioner responsible for the  Single Market.

He did an excellent job and the Single Market has considerable British contribution.  https://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatcher-the-critical-architect-of-european-integration/

See paragraphs six and seven in the above link.

[Axe]

2 minutes ago, m williamson said:

Margaret Thatcher opposed the Maastricht Treaty but she was a supporter of the Single Market, so much so that she played a significant part in the formation of the Single Market by personally selecting Lord Cockfield and sending him to Brussels as the UK commissioner responsible for the  Single Market.

He did an excellent job and the Single Market has considerable British contribution.  https://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatcher-the-critical-architect-of-european-integration/

See paragraphs six and seven in the above link.

You really are a  poor contributor who cherry picks events to suit you own anti democratic agenda.  Supporting the formation of the single market is not the same as supporting staying in the single market at the time of the EU referendum vote. The Maastricht Treaty changed everything and would never have happened if Margaret Thatcher was still prime minister instead of John Major.  Margaret Thatcher died in 2013  three years before the EU referendum vote so it is ridiculous to use her name to support the UK rejoining the Single Market which would mean a return to freedom of movement.  

[altus]

2 minutes ago, Axe said:

Margaret Thatcher died in 2013  three years before the EU referendum vote so it is ridiculous to use her name to support the UK rejoining the Single Market which would mean a return to freedom of movement.  

For the same reason, it's just as ridiculous to claim she would have supported leaving.

[Axe]

15 minutes ago, altus said:

For the same reason, it's just as ridiculous to claim she would have supported leaving.

I did not bring Margaret Thatcher into the discussion and have not stated whether she would have supported leaving the EU or remaining in the EU. 

[m williamson]

15 minutes ago, Axe said:

You really are a  poor contributor who cherry picks events to suit you own anti democratic agenda.  

Hilarious!

One of the most uninformed, one sided poster on the forum accuses another poster of being a poor contributor.

Explain exactly how I'm anti democratic. I suspect that you are as uninformed about the meaning of democracy as you are about history.

 

 

 

 

[Axe]

2 minutes ago, m williamson said:

Hilarious!

One of the most uninformed, one sided poster on the forum accuses another poster of being a poor contributor.

Explain exactly how I'm anti democratic. I suspect that you are as uninformed about the meaning of democracy as you are about history.

 

 

 

 

You are anti democratic because you want the UK to rejoin the single market which would make a mockery out of the democratic referendum result because it would mean the return of freedom of movement.