Are We Heading For A Recession Like In The 30s?

[Pettytom]

20 minutes ago, Anna B said:

An  electorate can be manipulated, and is, all the time. 

But that is nothing to do with being allowed. 
 

These days, with so many diverse media outlets, there is no excuse for not getting your message across.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Pettytom

[El Cid]

16 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

But that is nothing to do with being allowed. 
 

These days, with so many diverse media outlets, there is no excuse for not getting your message across.

People are tribal, no point in voting for the small partys, all they do is take votes away from one of the main partys.

And big money always knows to best way to campaign.

[Padders]

5 minutes ago, El Cid said:

 

And big money always knows to best way to campaign.

Correct..

Jeremy Corbyn was crucified at the last election by the media, their spending plans were going to bankrupt the country.

The Tories are spending gigantic sums of money on this virus, peanuts to what Labour were going to spend.

And nobody's blinking an eyelid.

[Anna B]

47 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

That is not the same thing. You said "not allowed"  which translates to being physically or otherwise it blocked from winning.

 

Media manipulation, dirty tricks, political games and failure to win over the people who are actually going to vote for you is a whole different thing.  Any failures arising from that scenario is solely on the candidate themselves nobody else.

 

Ultimately, if a candidate is not appealing to the wider electorate and has some media against them they need to change their publicity and attack back. If their policies are not getting enough attention then they need to change them so they can be more sellable to the publishers and more eye catching to the masses who will be   consuming it. If their personality is toxic and they give bad interviews in the papers and on television then you need to coach themselves to do better...... the list goes on. 

 

Whether we like to admit it or not an election boils down to just one giant popularity contest. Its Miss World for the men in suits. Are reality TV voting contest for those who read the broadsheet.

 

Much as I would like it to be so, to reality is it really does not get much more cerebral than that.

 Not allowed / prevented etc is all semantics. The Establishment rule this country. Democracy is an illusion for the benefit of the masses. 

 

Media manipulation, dirty tricks political games etc and worse, are the modus operandi of the Establishment. What do you think they do with their secret meetings, gentleman's clubs, access to MI5 and contact lists to the most powerful people in the country and beyond? They all have the same agenda; to keep on top by fair means or foul and are utterly ruthless in that pursuit. They have the power, money and influence to achieve anything they want.

 

Anybody who hasn't  learnt that in this day and age hasn't been paying attention. 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2020 by Anna B

[Jim Hardie]

On 20/10/2020 at 00:21, Anna B said:

Because anyone capable of causing a difference, upsetting the status quo and taking on the Establishment simply won't be allowed to win an election.

So as a savvy politician (cough), Jeremy Corbyn must have known he wouldn’t be allowed to win the last election. Why then did he bother?
Just be glad Keir Starmer beat those four no-hopers for the chance to take Boris on.

[Anna B]

13 minutes ago, Jim Hardie said:

So as a savvy politician (cough), Jeremy Corbyn must have known he wouldn’t be allowed to win the last election. Why then did he bother?
Just be glad Keir Starmer beat those four no-hopers for the chance to take Boris on.

I think you have to come up against it to realise it.

That's why Jeremy Corbyn did most of his electioneering live from his soapbox around the country, it was the only way he had open to him that couldn't be manipulated in some way. You can only trust what you see and hear live out of the horses mouth in the full context, everything else is open to abuse.

And very powerful it was, he garnered an army of fans and grew  the Labour party to be the largest in Europe. 

However, a determined mass media wins every time, until all the people realise they can't trust it.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Anna B

[Pettytom]

52 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I think you have to come up against it to realise it.

That's why Jeremy Corbyn did most of his electioneering live from his soapbox around the country, it was the only way he had open to him that couldn't be manipulated in some way. You can only trust what you see and hear live out of the horses mouth in the full context, everything else is open to abuse.

And very powerful it was, he garnered an army of fans and grew  the Labour party to be the largest in Europe. 

However, a determined mass media wins every time, until all the people realise they can't trust it.

Or, maybe he just wasn’t that good.

[nightrider]

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

Or, maybe he just wasn’t that good.

Polling shows with identical policies and a different leader, the Tories would have a far smaller majority now.

 

Thanks a lot momentum and Corbynistas.

[Anna B]

21 minutes ago, nightrider said:

Polling shows with identical policies and a different leader, the Tories would have a far smaller majority now.

 

Thanks a lot momentum and Corbynistas.

Whereas another politician can promise exactly the same, with no intention or ability of delivering. 

They'll be the candidate allowed to win the next election.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Anna B

[tinfoilhat]

Just now, Anna B said:

Whereas another politician can promise exactly the same, with no intention or ability of delivering. 

We're getting way off topic here, but neither could corbyn. He thought he could negotiate anything and if you're going to do that you'll give a bit.

 

But 30s and then some I reckon.  Royal mail, will see a spike in profits as p45s are sent out en masse next month.