El Cid Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, bkcin said: There are a lot of people that are clearly loving the fact that they are furloughed (some with their employer topping up the remaining 20% so are still on full pay) but there are obviously far far more that are not happy with it and want to be at work, contributing to society and nervous about their future employment when things start to get back to 'normal'. Lots of people registered to volunteer, too many for them to use, I believe as I havnt heard back. I have been out litter picking this week, now that restrictions are looser. Although strangely, the council are not allowed to encourage non-essential volunteering due to COV19. How many people are volunteering or just doing something locally? Edited May 27, 2020 by El Cid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dales Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 On 25/05/2020 at 00:58, Albert the Cat said: People like mrcharlie have already made their minds up. There really is no possibility of convincing them otherwise. It is completely bizarre and totally unreasonable to have such animosity towards a group of people that had no choice in their circumstance. They are simply like sheep who just take an opinion that is fashionable at the time. The right wing press have their sights firmly set on furloughed workers. It will be the teachers next, especially when they do not want to die and question the government advice on the reopening of schools. Then it will be eventually the NHS when the doctors and nurses want the pay rise they deserve. It is quite disgraceful actually. I have been working throughout the lockdown as I am a key worker. I really do not mind it. The only other place I go is the supermarket. I would hate to be confined to the house more than I am now. Also, I think you can look back in years to come and think 'I did my bit', however small that is. If I was furloughed I would be really worried at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Furlough is how some companies have managed to stay in business, for some it will be how they have have kept paying people a bit longer before they downsize or close completely. Some have used furlough to rearrange, reorganise, retool, reset IT etc. cheaply or without expensive downtime etc, afloat has enabled at least some changes. Some used previously created contingency plans to position itself to survive and take advantage . To do this didn't select individuals, they didn't ask for volunteers they just implemented their plans asap eg by creating two teams from top to bottom -one on furlough and one not. HR will be busy to planning responses the financial situation. They will have agreed procedures for redundancies which cannot refer the furlough business. For some who are unhappy with their situation it is a good time to look around with the aim of leaving and doing something else. Two redundancies by Thatcher taught me to prepare to jump before the axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I read there are 8 million furloughed. 8 million. Now rather than give those 8m 80% of their wages, give them UC at, what £90 A week. I don't know how the economy would recover from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm06 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said: I read there are 8 million furloughed. 8 million. Now rather than give those 8m 80% of their wages, give them UC at, what £90 A week. I don't know how the economy would recover from that. Cancel the payment of everyones Bill's and that's enough for people to survive on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Lane Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Tomm06 said: Cancel the payment of everyones Bill's and that's enough for people to survive on. Which bills? Rent/mortgage, car finance, credit cards, broadband, phone, Sky/Netflix, electricity, council tax? Who pays all those creditors in the interim? If it's the Government, perhaps they have already thought of that and combined it with all the other consequences of mass unemployment and determined that the furlough scheme is better? West 77 suggested it would be cheaper (or make more financial sense in his words) to let companies fail now and extend mortgage holidays for those laid off. He didn't offer any figures to back that up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm06 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, Arnold_Lane said: Which bills? Rent/mortgage, car finance, credit cards, broadband, phone, Sky/Netflix, electricity, council tax? Who pays all those creditors in the interim? If it's the Government, perhaps they have already thought of that and combined it with all the other consequences of mass unemployment and determined that the furlough scheme is better? West 77 suggested it would be cheaper (or make more financial sense in his words) to let companies fail now and extend mortgage holidays for those laid off. He didn't offer any figures to back that up though. Exactly. If you cancel all of those Bill's and put the furloughed on UC, survival is possible. It's an awkward situation and whilst I'm on 80% of my wage I still need to pay 100% of my bills, leaving what's left down considerably. Now since there's very little to spend money on right now other than food and perhaps a takeaway if you feel flush most people can manage. Whilst it's not about personal circumstance to put me on UC would see me eventually homeless, car repossessed, savings depleted to nothing and finally a credit score so smashed to pieces getting back to my current circumstances would be very difficult and that would feel like quite a kick in the balls. I consider myself relatively debt free besides the car I pay for and there are folks out there in much worse positions than I. I'm unsure if we should 'let' any business fail right now as we will need every possible business and some new ones to bring the economy back to life. Personally I think we've been rather lucky to have a government willing to give us 80% and more importantly some companies have used their own capital to bump their employees back to 100% which is a nice gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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