George Floyd- Killed By Police

[Litotes]

58 minutes ago, Earthlyone said:

Lets cut right to the chase, where is all this leading? lets not talk in vague abstract terms, lets get down to the nitty gritty.

so, go on what is YOUR nitty gritty?

6 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Does the life of the female police officer who suffered a collapsed lung, broken collarbone and shattered ribs after being thrown from her horse after Black Lives Matter protesters pelted her with missiles, matter at all?

Yes, it does.

13 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

The social distancing thing is an issue but I've not got a huge issue of the statue of a slave trader being chucked in the drink.

People who want to rewrite history are Nazis! (By definition)

 

What has happened  has happened, let us learn from it and not repeat our mistakes - if these are blackwashed (or whitewashed) from history then future generations cannot learn.

Edited June 7, 2020 by Litotes

[Car Boot]

Do 'Black Lives Matter' activists value all life?

 

Or just the lives of those with a particular characteristic?

[BobOfRoth]

Thankfully it looks like antifa's days are numbered. Im crossing my fingers this is the case.

[altus]

11 minutes ago, Litotes said:

What has happened  has happened, let us learn from it and not repeat our mistakes - if these are blackwashed (or whitewashed) from history then future generations cannot learn.

The complaint about the statue was that without anything explaining why there is a statue to someone it's not history - just something glorifying whoever is represented. There have been repeated calls in Bristol over the years for the statue to be removed to a museum where it an be presented as part of an exhibit describing the part he played in the city's past, or at least have a plaque placed on its base giving some context as to why that person is deemed significant. All such requests have been denied. The powers that be in Bristol are obviously embarrassed by the city's past and are the ones trying to whitewash it from history - not the protesters.

[tinfoilhat]

17 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Do 'Black Lives Matter' activists value all life?

 

Or just the lives of those with a particular characteristic?

Ones that aren’t facist presumably. Maybe people who weren’t slave traders?

[Litotes]

6 minutes ago, altus said:

The complaint about the statue was that without anything explaining why there is a statue to someone it's not history - just something glorifying whoever is represented. There have been repeated calls in Bristol over the years for the statue to be removed to a museum where it an be presented as part of an exhibit describing the part he played in the city's past, or at least have a plaque placed on its base giving some context as to why that person is deemed significant. All such requests have been denied. The powers that be in Bristol are obviously embarrassed by the city's past and are the ones trying to whitewash it from history - not the protesters.

So how did those who tore it down know what it was glorifying??? Because it made them look it up and in doing so, educate them - do you know everything about every monument or building you go past - no! And yet do you demand to tear down every building. This is just part of the problem of the woke/snowflake generation - they are too quick to demand reparation for things they have no knowledge about. The powers that be are not embarrased about the city's past - it is just they are big enough to put it in the past and make sure the errors of the past are not repeated though education.

 

If you try to erase the past you are no better than a totalitarian state.

10 minutes ago, altus said:

The complaint about the statue was that without anything explaining why there is a statue to someone it's not history - just something glorifying whoever is represented. There have been repeated calls in Bristol over the years for the statue to be removed to a museum where it an be presented as part of an exhibit describing the part he played in the city's past, or at least have a plaque placed on its base giving some context as to why that person is deemed significant. All such requests have been denied. The powers that be in Bristol are obviously embarrassed by the city's past and are the ones trying to whitewash it from history - not the protesters.

Italian's don't glorify the Roman empire and the atrocities that they enacted, but they don't rip down every Roman statue or building. Only by exposing the past to light (without glorifying it) can the future learn.

[tinfoilhat]

30 minutes ago, Litotes said:

 

 

What has happened  has happened, let us learn from it and not repeat our mistakes - if these are blackwashed (or whitewashed) from history then future generations cannot learn.

His name will still be in books, I don’t think they were thrown in the river. Never heard of him until today, so the statues removal helped a bit I guess.

 

Three questions;

 

1) why erect it over a hundred years after his death?

2) why did it take an angry mob to remove it rather than the council?

3) If statues are so helpful, where in Barnsley should we erect a statue of thatcher?

 

[Guest]

All these protests will only matter if people begin to change.

 

That includes leaders across the world, many who suppress people of what they see as inferior race/ of different beliefs or culture.

 

Racism has existed since the dawn of man. It isn't going to just disappear via a few protests.

 

Greater men like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther or even Malcolm X, stood up against racism- but only so much can be done.

 

If you just take UK and USA today, look at the leaders- they are not the type of people to change history!

[tinfoilhat]

1 minute ago, Mr Fisk said:

All these protests will only matter if people begin to change.

 

That includes leaders across the world, many who suppress people of what they see as inferior race/ of different beliefs or culture.

 

Racism has existed since the dawn of man. It isn't going to just disappear via a few protests.

 

Greater men like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther or even Malcolm X, stood up against racism- but only so much can be done.

 

If you just take UK and USA today, look at the leaders- they are not the type of people to change history!

Not for the better anyway.

[Mister Gee]

20 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

His name will still be in books, I don’t think they were thrown in the river. Never heard of him until today, so the statues removal helped a bit I guess.

 

Three questions;

 

1) why erect it over a hundred years after his death?

2) why did it take an angry mob to remove it rather than the council?

3) If statues are so helpful, where in Barnsley should we erect a statue of thatcher?

 

Same here, I can’t believe that there was a statue of a slave trader in Bristol in 2020. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Mister Gee