Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[HeHasRisen]

How is the view from your ivory tower, mate?

[ECCOnoob]

11 minutes ago, Tony said:

What are you banging on about man? Go and look it up in a dictionary. 

You didn't answer the question. I can only assume that you're distracted by your manhood rolling around in the footwell?

 

Aw, come on, junctions are closed, roads are diverted every day and not once did it fall off. You're a grown man who can handle directions around the corner, stop bawling like a baby because you your route changed.

 

You're all... so.. emotional...  about directions! I blame satnav.

 

 

This thread is like the North Norfolk Corn Dolly Convention - strawmen everywhere!

Nice change of subject there because you don't have an answer.  Maybe you should use a dictionary yourself to look at the word preferential

 

Anyway, since it is still not relevant to the original point raised and you have still not provided any categoric evidence that the truck was at fault in this accident -  I'm done with this conversation.

 

I have better things to be doing today. It is clear what you stand for. I disagree.

 

Time to draw a line under this.

[RJRB]

1 hour ago, Tony said:

Why should motorised commuters should be prioritised over bicycle commuters? 

Could it be the volume of cars,vans,HGVs going about their daily work as opposed to the number of cyclists.

I think that may be a factor

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by RJRB

[alchemist]

1 hour ago, Tony said:

 

You didn't answer the question. I can only assume that you're distracted by your manhood rolling around in the footwell?

 

 

I DID answer the question, it just wasnt the answer you wanted.  Sorry mate. when you resort to attempting to use insults to win an argument youve lost.  Still, if it helps your ego, go ahead i can take it

Edited September 24, 2021 by alchemist

[BoroB]

3 hours ago, Tony said:

As far as I am aware the cyclist is very poorly but alive, thank god.

 

 

 

 

You'll learn to get the basics right when discussing things with me because you'll soon find out that I don't post carelessly if I can help it. I'll expect the same with you if you give me reason to.

 

deadly

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Learn to pronounce

 

adjective

 

1. 1. 

   causing or able to cause death.

Good to know the cyclist is ok.

 

As you allude to in post 1131 the left turn was blocked off as part of a temporary scheme.

 

The scheme was never intended to be permanant, never intended to block ambulances in, never intended to bring that part of the  city frequently to gridlock at a time when the volume of traffic was severely reduced due to covid lockdown.

 

The scheme was removed because it was ill thought out, poorly communicated to highway users ,  poorly used by cyclists and also because it was temporary. 

[MunXy]

First of all the closure of that junction/road was I believe at a different time, i.e. Before said accident.

secondly when the accident occurred, the road AND junction were both open.

third the road was closed so a company could safely work on and allow their workers and vehicles temporary access without public being endangered on what was basically a building site. 

Forth these types of vehicles tend to have signs on the rear warning of blind spots etc, specifically for cyclists and motorcyclists not to come down their left (near side), which as any regular motorist will tell you, is a favourite "pastime" of many cyclists.

has anyone, as yet been proven liable, as I haven't looked through the other back pages.

[AndrewC]

On 24/09/2021 at 14:58, RJRB said:

Could it be the volume of cars,vans,HGVs going about their daily work as opposed to the number of cyclists.

I think that may be a factor

 

Maybe the volume of cars, vans is so high because the infrastructure for bikes/cargo bikes is so ****e? It's tried and tested in places all over the world; give people decent, safe, convenient alternatives and they will start to leave their cars at home.

 

People in urban areas will generally make transport decisions based on factors like ease, cost, speed etc. It's a politic decision as to what you as a local council etc. give them. The sticking point is that urban areas rarely have the space or money to allow 100% of people to travel by private car.

 

I take it by the wording of your sentence that you don't believe any one on a bike could possibly be going to work?

[AndrewC]

On 24/09/2021 at 14:17, alchemist said:

Because there is more of them?  Its a thing in life that the balance is towards the majority

What if they've only built up to being the majority because decisions on transport infrastructure investment over the last 7 decades have favoured that mode of transport above all others?

 

We've built for a motoring future for some 7 decades but we're starting to realise that you eventually reach a dead-end. There's only so much space in our cities - eventually everyone driving around in metal box not much smaller than a terraced house living room starts to become a tad unsustainable.

 

A lot of that 'majority' aren't as tied to cars as many die-hard motorists would have you believe. Provide good public transport and active travel alternatives, and you soon see a lot people leave their cars at home.

On 24/09/2021 at 14:24, ECCOnoob said:

Without any such stupid installation of the temporary cycle lane both vehicle drivers and cyclists can still freely travel on it, use it and they could both still have equal access the various side roads.

Yes, HGVs and cyclists, together in perfect harmony!

[RJRB]

2 hours ago, AndrewC said:

Maybe the volume of cars, vans is so high because the infrastructure for bikes/cargo bikes is so ****e? It's tried and tested in places all over the world; give people decent, safe, convenient alternatives and they will start to leave their cars at home.

 

I take it by the wording of your sentence that you don't believe any one on a bike could possibly be going to work?

And maybe that is not so true in this day and age.

Places of work are more scattered than ever before so it’s very difficult to define what is a commuter route.

Even though I worked for years in the east end of Sheffield not a single person of our 100 plus workforce came to work on a bike.

Cars and other vehicles can be restricted to certain routes which is certainly not the case with bikes .

I am sure that there must be some cyclists going to work.I am also absolutely certain that the majority of cyclists in our area do so for exercise and head for the byways of South Yorks. and Derbyshire for their evening and weekend pleasure.

I am certainly not against cyclists but I know that all my cycling friends are also motorists

[altus]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

And maybe that is not so true in this day and age.

Places of work are more scattered than ever before so it’s very difficult to define what is a commuter route.

7 decades of focusing infrastructure development on motorists is a big part of what's made that possible. 7 decades of trying to redress that imbalance, together with things like the relatively recent adoption of using IT to enable home working, will mean that less people will feel the need to commute by car.